Mr. M. J. Coldwell (Rosetown-Biggar):

should like to ask a supplementary question. Are the steel stanchions, and so on, owned by the government or are they rented? I heard today they were rented.

Mr. Winters:

They are owned by the government.

Mr. J. W. Monteith (Perth):

I should like to direct a question to the Minister of Citizenship and Immigration. Is an official of the immigration department at present engaged in reimbursing victimized new Canadians residing in the Stratford area and, if so, what is the source of the funds?

Hon. J. W. Pickersgill (Minister of Citizenship and Immigration):

Mr. Speaker, I know nothing whatever about the subject of possible reimbursement, but I will make inquiries.

Mr. E. D. Fulton (Kamloops):

Mr. Speaker, before the question is put I rise for the purpose of moving an instruction to the committee of the whole. I am not going to refer to it at the moment but I am sure Your Honour will agree with me this is the time and the only time at which such an instruction can be moved.

Mr. Speaker:

I do not agree with the hon. member. The hon. member is probably going

to deal with the period where the motion to commit was a debatable one and was amendable. At this moment the bill must be committed to committee of the whole. The order on the order paper is "House in committee of the whole", and therefore the motion must be put. It is a non-debatable and therefore a non-amendable motion. It is votable.

Mr. Fulton:

Mr. Speaker, on the point you have raised, it is not my intention to try to amend the motion for the reason you have just given, namely that it is not debatable and therefore not capable of amendment. But it is possible to move a superseding motion and a motion for an instruction to the committee is, of course, of the nature of a substantive motion which supersedes the motion for committal. Your Honour has to put the motion that you do leave the chair for the house to go into committee. It is stated in the authorities that it is at this time that a member may move an instruction to the committee which supersedes the motion. It is not an amendment to it and, if carried, would of course supersede it. As a superseding motion, a substantive motion, it is in order at this time. I would therefore propose to move, seconded by the hon. member for Lanark (Mr. Blair).-

That it be an instruction to the committee of the whole that they have power to amend Bill 298, an act to establish the Northern Ontario Pipe Line Crown Corporation, to provide that no loan or advance shall be made to, or agreement made with, Trans-Canada unless the majority of the issued shares of its capital stock is owned by Canadians.

Sir, the purpose of the instruction will, I think, be obvious. It is to ensure that thing which the Liberal party, using the trade-mark of the Minister of Trade and Commerce, has been trying to tell Canadians, its own supporters and others in Canada that the present proposal does. I have here in my hand a copy of The Liberal-

Mr. Speaker:

If the motion should be in order and were it to be agreed upon the hon. member would have ample opportunity to make whatever points in debate he might wish to make, but I should like to refer the hon. member to Votes and Proceedings of yesterday, page 596. Following the division on the motion that the said bill be considered in committee of the whole at the next sitting of the house the said motion was carried and the entry in Votes and Proceedings is as follows:

The said bill was accordingly ordered for consideration in committee of the whole at the next sitting of the house.

What was the page to which the hon. member referred me?

Mr. Fulion:

I am sorry, Mr. Speaker, that I did not have the page before me. I have

Northern Ontario Pipe Line Corporation now the reference in Bourinot at page 512-and there are also references in May- where Bourinot says this:

An "instruction",-

Mr. Speaker:

Order. The hon. member

having given me the reference of page 512,

I have it before me. That is exactly the one I had in mind also. At page 511 we find the following:

When a bill has been read a second time by the clerk, the next question will be proposed.

"That the house go into committee on the bill (now, or on

next.)"

The house generally goes into committee on the bill at once-but when desired, the committee stage is postponed to another sitting of the house.

That is exactly what was done last evening.

The motion generally passes, nem. con., like all such formal motions; though it is quite regular to move an amendment as to the time of committal.

The hon. member at this moment must remember that this edition of Bourinot was published in 1916. He will find it impossible to find any precedent where the motion to commit has been amended.

Mr. Fulton:

We are not amending it.

Mr. Speaker:

Or that even a superseding motion has been moved.

Mr. Fulton:

Mr. Speaker, would you read the bottom paragraph on page 512 and headed by Roman numerals "VIII"?

Mr. Speaker:

Yes. I will read the bottom paragraph. I was prepared on that point last night, as a matter of fact.