June 15, 1955

PC

Carl Olof Nickle

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Nickle:

C. D. qualifies.

Topic:   CANADIAN NATIONAL RAILWAYS
Subtopic:   CONSOLIDATION OF LEGISLATION-AUTHORIZATION FOR OPERATION OF TELECOMMUNICATION SYSTEM, ETC.
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LIB

Jean-François Pouliot

Liberal

Mr. Pouliot:

In this country there are the Canadian born and there are those who have adopted Canada as their country although they were not born in this country.

Topic:   CANADIAN NATIONAL RAILWAYS
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PC

Joseph Warner Murphy

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Murphy (Lambton West):

They are not as good, according to the minister.

Topic:   CANADIAN NATIONAL RAILWAYS
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PC

John Borden Hamilton

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Hamilton (York West):

There are two kinds, first and second class.

Topic:   CANADIAN NATIONAL RAILWAYS
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LIB

Jean-François Pouliot

Liberal

Mr. Pouliot:

I wonder if the hon. member for York West says that those who were not born in this country are not as good as those who were born in this country.

Topic:   CANADIAN NATIONAL RAILWAYS
Subtopic:   CONSOLIDATION OF LEGISLATION-AUTHORIZATION FOR OPERATION OF TELECOMMUNICATION SYSTEM, ETC.
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PC

J.-Wilfrid Dufresne

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Dufresne:

You had better ask the Minister of Citizenship and Immigration.

Topic:   CANADIAN NATIONAL RAILWAYS
Subtopic:   CONSOLIDATION OF LEGISLATION-AUTHORIZATION FOR OPERATION OF TELECOMMUNICATION SYSTEM, ETC.
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LIB

Jean-François Pouliot

Liberal

Mr. Pouliot:

I am asking the hon. member.

Topic:   CANADIAN NATIONAL RAILWAYS
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PC

John Borden Hamilton

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Hamilton (York West):

I am quite sure, Mr. Chairman, it is on the record in Hansard over and over again that this party distinguishes in no way between those who are born in this country and those who became naturalized Canadians after coming to it.

Topic:   CANADIAN NATIONAL RAILWAYS
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LIB

Jean-François Pouliot

Liberal

Mr. Pouliot:

If I had succeeded-

Topic:   CANADIAN NATIONAL RAILWAYS
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LIB

William Alfred Robinson (Deputy Speaker and Chair of Committees of the Whole of the House of Commons)

Liberal

The Chairman:

Order. Before we are

launched on a debate on Canadian citizenship I think I should draw the attention of the committee to the fact that we are, after all, considering a clause in a Canadian National Railways bill and the phrase in the amendment moved by the hon. member for York West is capable of legal definition.

Topic:   CANADIAN NATIONAL RAILWAYS
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LIB

Jean-François Pouliot

Liberal

Mr. Pouliot:

My contention is, sir, that we cannot vote on the amendment unless we know the intent of the lawmaker, who in this case is the sponsor of the amendment. He says we want Canadians and I have no objection to Canadians who have made Canada their adopted country, providing they are body and soul citizens of Canada. They may become citizens of Canada, and my understanding of a true Canadian is one who puts Canada before any other country in his own mind and in his actions. There are, therefore, some good people who live in Canada who were not born here but who are a credit and an asset to Canada. They are very good citizens.

Now, sir, that the hon. member for York West has proved to the committee, at my request, that he is more broad-minded than I expected him to be at first, we will proceed with the discussion of the section. This is a very important clause of the bill because it states that the directors appointed by the government will be the board that will be responsible for what the railway will do. At the outset of my remarks I mentioned that the intention of the Conservative party was to amalgamate the Canadian National and Canadian Pacific railways. The first step in that move was the idea of pool trains. If there are some hon. members who are interested in knowing about the establishment of pool trains they can read the statement made by the then minister of railways and canals, Dr. Manion, on March 8, 1934, at pages 1275 and 1276 of Hansard.

The Liberals stand strongly opposed to the amalgamation of the railways. I was educated that way, and that is why I opposed all the claims for the amalgamation of the express and telegraph companies, which was to be the first step toward the complete amalgamation of the railways.

Topic:   CANADIAN NATIONAL RAILWAYS
Subtopic:   CONSOLIDATION OF LEGISLATION-AUTHORIZATION FOR OPERATION OF TELECOMMUNICATION SYSTEM, ETC.
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PC

J.-Wilfrid Dufresne

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Dufresne:

This has nothing to do with the bill.

Topic:   CANADIAN NATIONAL RAILWAYS
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LIB

Jean-François Pouliot

Liberal

Mr. Pouliot:

And I would refer hon. members-

Topic:   CANADIAN NATIONAL RAILWAYS
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PC

J.-Wilfrid Dufresne

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Dufresne:

You are out of order.

Topic:   CANADIAN NATIONAL RAILWAYS
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LIB

Jean-François Pouliot

Liberal

Mr. Pouliot:

-to the speech that was made by the Right Hon. Arthur Meighen respecting the unified management of the railways, which speech was delivered in the Senate of Canada on Thursday, May 25, 1939. I will read also the end of the statement, which was also published by the king's printer, about the amalgamation of the railways. This was sent to me with that speech by Mr. Meighen of May 25, 1939.

Topic:   CANADIAN NATIONAL RAILWAYS
Subtopic:   CONSOLIDATION OF LEGISLATION-AUTHORIZATION FOR OPERATION OF TELECOMMUNICATION SYSTEM, ETC.
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CCF

Stanley Howard Knowles (Whip of the Co-operative Commonwealth Federation)

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. Knowles:

I rise on a point of order. I certainly do not wish-indeed I would not even try-to stop the hon. member from making this speech at some appropriate time. But in view of standing order 58(2) which says that speeches in committee of the whole house must be strictly relevant to the item or clause under consideration, I would ask the hon. member what relevancy there is between what he is saying and a clause having to do with the establishing of the board of directors. My hon. friend will understand that in what I am saying I am not trying to prevent him from making this speech at some appropriate time. I could not do that, anyway. But would it not be better if he made his speech on some clause where it would be relevant?

Topic:   CANADIAN NATIONAL RAILWAYS
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LIB

Jean-François Pouliot

Liberal

Mr. Pouliot:

I thank the hon. member for his gracious interruption, and regret that he did not ask me a question rather than rise on a point of order. Had he done so I could have explained to him, and I am sure he would easily have understood-

Topic:   CANADIAN NATIONAL RAILWAYS
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PC

J.-Wilfrid Dufresne

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Dufresne:

What about a ruling? He has been out of order since the beginning.

Topic:   CANADIAN NATIONAL RAILWAYS
Subtopic:   CONSOLIDATION OF LEGISLATION-AUTHORIZATION FOR OPERATION OF TELECOMMUNICATION SYSTEM, ETC.
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LIB

Jean-François Pouliot

Liberal

Mr. Pouliot:

I am speaking to the point of order, and I shall continue speaking when I cease to hear strange noises across the aisle. Mr. Chairman, it is the easiest thing to understand; it is just as clear as spring water. Here we are discussing the clause in a bill concerning the appointment of the board of directors of the Canadian National Railways. I am referring to what has been said by Conservative leaders about the amalgamation of the railways. My hon. friend from Winnipeg North Centre-and if he is patient I shall satisfy him in full-

Topic:   CANADIAN NATIONAL RAILWAYS
Subtopic:   CONSOLIDATION OF LEGISLATION-AUTHORIZATION FOR OPERATION OF TELECOMMUNICATION SYSTEM, ETC.
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CCF

Stanley Howard Knowles (Whip of the Co-operative Commonwealth Federation)

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. Knowles:

It may be as clear as spring water, but I do not see it up to this point.

Topic:   CANADIAN NATIONAL RAILWAYS
Subtopic:   CONSOLIDATION OF LEGISLATION-AUTHORIZATION FOR OPERATION OF TELECOMMUNICATION SYSTEM, ETC.
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June 15, 1955