June 15, 1955

LIB

Jean-François Pouliot

Liberal

Mr. Pouliot:

What is noticeable is that the political ancestor of the hon. member for Calgary South gave the cold shoulder to all Canadians and picked a smart Englishman to draft a report on reform of the railways. That reform was preliminary to the amalgamation of the railways which was in his mind as it was in the mind of Arthur Meighen and all the Tories at that time.

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Some hon. Members:

One o'clock.

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LIB

Jean-François Pouliot

Liberal

Mr. Pouliot:

I will continue at 2.30.

At one o'clock the committee took recess.

The committee resumed at 2.30 p.m.

On clause 6-Board of directors.

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LIB

William Alfred Robinson (Deputy Speaker and Chair of Committees of the Whole of the House of Commons)

Liberal

The Chairman:

When the committee rose at one o'clock we had been considering clause 6 and the amendment thereto of the hon. member for York West. The hon. member for Temiscouata.

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LIB

Jean-François Pouliot

Liberal

Mr. Pouliot:

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I was speaking to the amendment, and I should like to make a correction. So many English gentlemen were appointed to commissions under the Bennett regime that I sometimes make an error with respect to their names. The Macmillan report was with regard to the establishment of the Bank of Canada and the big man on the other report was Lord Ashfield. The chairman of the commission was Chief Justice Duff. I want to say that at the outset, in order to make the necessary correction.

With regard to the amendment sponsored by the hon. member for York West, he says that only Canadians shall be appointed as directors of the railway; in fact, all those who are presently directors of the Canadian National Railways are Canadians. However, he said that it was important for the future to have a provision to that effect on the statute books. I have to ask him a question, and I should like very much to be answered. What does he mean by "a Canadian"? Does he mean one who was born in this country and has left this country to live outside of it without keeping his Canadian nationality? What does he mean by it? I ask the hon. member for York West what he does mean by "Canadian" as mentioned in the amendment.

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PC

Howard Charles Green

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Green:

Canadian citizen; don't you know what that is?

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PC

John Borden Hamilton

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Hamilton (York West):

I think the term "Canadian citizen" is quite clear. I am sure it includes anyone born in this country or anyone naturalized.

Canadian National Railways

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LIB

Jean-François Pouliot

Liberal

Mr. Pouliot:

I thank the hon. gentleman, but if he has read the citizenship act, he must have seen that British subject and Canadian citizen are synonymous. My hon. friend is as much a British subject as he is a Canadian citizen.

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CCF

Stanley Howard Knowles (Whip of the Co-operative Commonwealth Federation)

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. Knowles:

Will the hon. member not admit that according to the citizenship act every Canadian citizen is a British subject, but not every British subject is necessarily a Canadian citizen.

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LIB

Jean-François Pouliot

Liberal

Mr. Pouliot:

My hon. friend will agree that he is a British subject and as such a Canadian citizen, unless he renounces being a British subject.

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CCF

Stanley Howard Knowles (Whip of the Co-operative Commonwealth Federation)

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. Knowles:

I am both, but any British subject who comes here does not forthwith become a Canadian citizen. He has to become a Canadian citizen later according to due process of law.

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LIB

Jean-François Pouliot

Liberal

Mr. Pouliot:

Yes, but they have equal rights. I will give my definition of a Canadian citizen to the hon. gentleman and to the committee. It is not necessarily one who was born in this country-

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J.-Wilfrid Dufresne

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Dufresne:

That is what he just said, or naturalized.

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LIB

Jean-François Pouliot

Liberal

Mr. Pouliot:

Does he say that those who were not born in this country cannot be good Canadian citizens?

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PC

J.-Wilfrid Dufresne

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Dufresne:

He never said anything of the kind.

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LIB

Jean-François Pouliot

Liberal

Mr. Pouliot:

I want to proceed logically.

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PC

J.-Wilfrid Dufresne

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Dufresne:

Ask the Minister of Citizenship and Immigration.

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LIB

Jean-François Pouliot

Liberal

Mr. Pouliot:

I did not know the hon. member for Quebec somewhere-

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PC

J.-Wilfrid Dufresne

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Dufresne:

Quebec West.

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LIB

Jean-François Pouliot

Liberal

Mr. Pouliot:

-was the interpreter of the hon. member for York West.

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June 15, 1955