February 24, 1955

LIB

Jean Lesage (Minister of Northern Affairs and National Resources)

Liberal

Mr. Lesage:

The amendment that I am now proposing is to the act which will come into effect on April 1. There is no point in amending the act which will be in force from this date until April 1 only, since there will not be any session of the council, according to my information. But the new act, which is chapter 53 of the statutes of 1952-53, will come into force on April 1. When it comes into force on April 1, it will come into force as amended by the bill which will be introduced. following the adoption of this resolution.

Topic:   YUKON ACT
Subtopic:   AMENDMENTS RESPECTING LIVING ALLOWANCE AND ATTENDANCE OF COUNCIL MEMBERS
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PC

Douglas Scott Harkness

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Harkness:

I wonder whether the minister can tell why it has not been in effect before this time? Can he tell us why two years have elapsed since it was passed and it has not yet gone into effect?

Topic:   YUKON ACT
Subtopic:   AMENDMENTS RESPECTING LIVING ALLOWANCE AND ATTENDANCE OF COUNCIL MEMBERS
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LIB

Jean Lesage (Minister of Northern Affairs and National Resources)

Liberal

Mr. Lesage:

Because with regard to the Yukon Act as well as the Northwest Territories Act which are presently in force there are certain provisions which do not appear in the new acts but are covered under the new Criminal Code. We could not have the new Yukon Act and the new Northwest Territories Act come into force before the new Criminal Code comes into force, which is on April 1.

Topic:   YUKON ACT
Subtopic:   AMENDMENTS RESPECTING LIVING ALLOWANCE AND ATTENDANCE OF COUNCIL MEMBERS
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CCF

Hugh Alexander Bryson

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. Bryson:

First of all, I should like to say that I was in error when I spoke about three sessions having to do with the Northwest Territories. Nevertheless that is a true statement in connection with the Yukon Act. I was glad to hear the comments made by the hon. member for Yukon (Mr. Simmons) with respect to provincial status. I think the fact that these men met for five days and passed 55 pieces of legislation is a fair indication that they are under the influence of the deputy minister of northern affairs and national resources.

Topic:   YUKON ACT
Subtopic:   AMENDMENTS RESPECTING LIVING ALLOWANCE AND ATTENDANCE OF COUNCIL MEMBERS
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LIB

Jean Lesage (Minister of Northern Affairs and National Resources)

Liberal

Mr. Lesage:

In the Yukon?

Topic:   YUKON ACT
Subtopic:   AMENDMENTS RESPECTING LIVING ALLOWANCE AND ATTENDANCE OF COUNCIL MEMBERS
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CCF

Hugh Alexander Bryson

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. Bryson:

I am sorry, the commissioner, who is appointed by order in council. I should like to ask the minister two questions. First of all, what is being done about travelling allowances? If these people are going to come to Ottawa it is going to take considerable money. I wonder whether allowance is being made for that. Second, have the minister and his department given any active study to the proposition of provincial status for these territories?

Topic:   YUKON ACT
Subtopic:   AMENDMENTS RESPECTING LIVING ALLOWANCE AND ATTENDANCE OF COUNCIL MEMBERS
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LIB

Jean Lesage (Minister of Northern Affairs and National Resources)

Liberal

Mr. Lesage:

Members of the Yukon council have their travelling expenses paid to Whitehorse where all the meetings of the council are held. Meetings of the Yukon council are never held in Ottawa. They are always held in the capital of the Yukon which is Whitehorse. The travelling expenses of the members from their residences to Whitehorse are paid for each session.

As to the second question, I said last year in the house and I have said in public many times that our ultimate objective is to grant provincial status to the Yukon and the Northwest Territories, but for the reasons that have been given by the hon. member for the Yukon we do not believe that the time has yet come. The population is too small and the revenues of these two territories are not sufficient to cover the expenditures that would have to be made for provincial services by the new provinces if they had provincial status at this time. There is only a population of 10,000 in the Yukon and 16,000 in the Northwest Territories. The population of the Northwest Territories is scattered not only in Mackenzie district, where the four elected members are elected, but also in Keewatin and Franklin districts. As a matter of fact, in the district of Mackenzie from which the elected representatives come, the non-Indian and non-Eskimo population is less than 5,000.

Topic:   YUKON ACT
Subtopic:   AMENDMENTS RESPECTING LIVING ALLOWANCE AND ATTENDANCE OF COUNCIL MEMBERS
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SC

Ray Thomas

Social Credit

Mr. Thomas:

I do not want to enter into a general debate on this matter except to add a word to those of the hon. member for Mackenzie River a short time ago on the previous resolution when he asked the minister to consider inserting a provision in the bills for both territories for a minimum payment to the elected representatives. In order to get the best men for the job and to be assured that they will give proper consideration to their positions, it seems to me that a minimum payment would help a great deal. I think it is a good idea and I think it should be made applicable in the case of both bills.

Resolution reported, read the second time and concurred in.

Mr. Lesage thereupon moved for leave to introduce Bill No. 180, to amend the Yukon Act. .

Motion agreed to and bill read the first time.

Topic:   YUKON ACT
Subtopic:   AMENDMENTS RESPECTING LIVING ALLOWANCE AND ATTENDANCE OF COUNCIL MEMBERS
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HISTORIC SITES AND MONUMENTS ACT

AMENDMENTS RESPECTING DEFINITIONS, TRAVELLING EXPENSES, ETC.

LIB

Jean Lesage (Minister of Northern Affairs and National Resources)

Liberal

Hon. Jean Lesage (Minister of Northern Affairs and National Resources) moved

that the house go into committee to consider the following resolution:

That it is expedient to bring in a measure to amend the Historic Sites and Monuments Act to amplify the definition of "historic place", to change slightly the representation of the board, and to provide further for changes in the method and amount of payments to members appointed by the governor in council, of living and travelling expenses and to provide for the payment of stenographic allowances.

Topic:   HISTORIC SITES AND MONUMENTS ACT
Subtopic:   AMENDMENTS RESPECTING DEFINITIONS, TRAVELLING EXPENSES, ETC.
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LIB

William Alfred Robinson (Deputy Speaker and Chair of Committees of the Whole of the House of Commons)

Liberal

Mr. Deputy Speaker:

Is it agreed that I do leave the chair for the house to resolve itself into committee of the whole on this resolution?

Topic:   HISTORIC SITES AND MONUMENTS ACT
Subtopic:   AMENDMENTS RESPECTING DEFINITIONS, TRAVELLING EXPENSES, ETC.
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CCF

Harold Edward Winch

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. Winch:

Call it ten o'clock, Mr. Speaker.

Topic:   HISTORIC SITES AND MONUMENTS ACT
Subtopic:   AMENDMENTS RESPECTING DEFINITIONS, TRAVELLING EXPENSES, ETC.
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LIB

Jean Lesage (Minister of Northern Affairs and National Resources)

Liberal

Mr. Lesage:

Mr. Speaker, if the resolution is allowed to go into committee I do not intend to say a word on it. I could not add anything to the wording of the resolution itself. It is very clear.

Historic Sites and Monuments Act

Motion agreed to and the house went into committee, Mr. Applewhaite in the chair.

Topic:   HISTORIC SITES AND MONUMENTS ACT
Subtopic:   AMENDMENTS RESPECTING DEFINITIONS, TRAVELLING EXPENSES, ETC.
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PC

Douglas Scott Harkness

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Harkness:

Mr. Chairman, there are several members who have remarks to make on this resolution, and as it is now ten o'clock I think we should suspend further consideration of it.

Progress reported.

Topic:   HISTORIC SITES AND MONUMENTS ACT
Subtopic:   AMENDMENTS RESPECTING DEFINITIONS, TRAVELLING EXPENSES, ETC.
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BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE

LIB

Walter Edward Harris (Minister of Finance and Receiver General; Leader of the Government in the House of Commons; Liberal Party House Leader)

Liberal

Mr. Harris:

Mr. Speaker, tomorrow we shall take the motion standing in the name of the Secretary of State under government notices of motions for the consideration by the standing committee on privileges and elections of certain matters that may be brought before it by the chief electoral officer. We shall then take the resolution standing in the name of the Minister of Transport with respect to the national harbours board; then the resolution that we have just discussed a little; then the resolution in the name of the Minister of Finance with respect to the Members of Parliament Retiring Allowances Act; then the resolution in the name of the Minister of Finance with respect to the salary of the Auditor General; then second reading of Bill No. 4, to regulate the exportation of power and fluids and the importation of gas.

Topic:   BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE
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At ten o'clock the house adjourned, without question put, pursuant to standing order.



Friday, February 25, 1955


February 24, 1955