February 1, 1955

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Donald MacInnis

Mr. Maclnnis:

More or less.

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William Earl Rowe (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Rowe:

My hon. friend would not understand that. He would only understand "more".

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Donald MacInnis

Mr. Maclnnis:

I did not understand "more or less".

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William Earl Rowe (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Rowe:

Well, I cannot help it if my hon. friend is slow in understanding these things. I do not wish to take up too much of the time of the house-

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An hon. Member:

Eleven minutes to go.

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William Earl Rowe (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Rowe:

Well, perhaps my hon. friend would be satisfied with 11 minutes. However, Mr. Speaker, the members of our present government, those who are responsible for the management of our affairs, claim to be the champions of private enterprise. They are the other private enterprise party. They are the other traditional party. And they are

the only party likely to be in power when the Conservative party is not in power. I believe that, too.

I believe that, so far as splinter parties in this country are concerned, unconsciously they contribute to keeping the other major party in power, but they have never contributed anything to keeping our party in power. We always went into power on our own when we did go, and we did not get help from either of them.

I have noticed in connection with those who sit to your right, Mr. Speaker, that after the necessity for certain controls developed during wartime, they developed a queer appetite for state control, and they have controlled a lot of things they should not control. They cling to the control of things to which they should not cling. I am not going to enlarge upon that point tonight. I shall do so on some other occasion, when I shall mention a list of the things they seem to like to control.

When they control so much I would not be cruel enough to say-I could not if I would and would not if I could-that they control the press. But they control so much of the air, transportation, radio and everything else, I have heard it said that once they control those it is not hard to control the press. But I believe they still have a semblance of free enterprise inclinations; I would put it that way.

I know it is the desire of every member in this house that we should encourage production. I have heard hon. members to your right, Mr. Speaker, say many things about those who sit here, but after the years I have spent in parliament I have never doubted the integrity of purpose of hon. members, not even my hon. friends to my left. It is not any doubt of their integrity of purpose, it is only the road they travel that bothers me.

I believe it is the common desire of this whole house to encourage production and encourage employment. I heard an hon. member speaking the other day who went so far as to say that he did not know how we could have more employment, more manufacturing and so on, without increasing tariffs. But to him, as a free trader-he did not say this, but I could see him twisting and squirming in his seat-of the two he would rather have unemployment. But, Mr. Speaker, if we are going to have expansion in agriculture and in industry, which is vital for our future welfare, I just wonder how it can be brought about by the conduct of the present government. There is a vast difference between the method proposed by the government sitting to your right, Mr. Speaker, and

that proposed by the official opposition sitting to your left. Speaking without repetition-

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An hon. Member:

Explain.

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William Earl Rowe (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Rowe:

Well, I explained before, but my hon. friend was so busy getting his own speech ready that I noticed at the time he was not listening to me. I shall not explain at length at this late hour, except to say that he must know that we in this party to which I belong stand tonight as we stood in the past for fiscal policy which will be adequate to encourage the development of our own resources and our own country.

Some of my friends say, "explain that". Some of my friends say I did not explain it. Some said it means high tariff walls. 1 ask some of you younger members to stop using that term, because it is 35 years old. It was used by old-time free traders before some of you young men were born. It was used by members of the party of Sir Wilfrid Laurier at the very time he was imposing higher tariffs than Sir John A. Macdonald had imposed before him. As the hon. member for Queens (Mr. MacLean) so eloquently said the other day, you now maintain tariffs on everything, and no one says anything about it. It seems to me that it is time we got our sight cleared.

I can show on the records of Hansard of this parliament that one of the most outstanding leaders the Conservative party ever had moved for a lowering of tariffs on farm implements, and every member of the Liberal party opposed him. Where are the champions of free trade? Where are they tonight?

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William Earl Rowe (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Rowe:

If you read history you will find it.

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Some hon. Members:

Oh, oh.

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William Earl Rowe (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Rowe:

Don't laugh it off. It was the Right Hon. Arthur Meighen in 1911. Where are those champions? We have those agriculturists from western Canada. We hear them talk about free trade. I saw some of my friends from western Ontario crying crocodile tears last year for higher tariffs on buttons, bones and bottles in this house. You cannot have it both ways. Before radio came in I can well remember you people blowing hot and cold across this land. I can remember the Right Hon. Mackenzie King preaching free trade in western Canada while at the same time his cohorts were making protectionist speeches in Montreal. That has been the pattern of your party down through the years. What do we find now? What has been said here and in the United States. Some

The Address-Mr. Rowe of my hon. friends laugh. It would be laughable if it were not tragic in the present circumstances.

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Clarence Decatur Howe (Minister of Defence Production; Minister of Trade and Commerce)

Liberal

Mr. Howe (Port Arthur):

Let us have a vote.

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William Earl Rowe (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Rowe:

No, you are not going to have a vote for a few minutes.

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William Earl Rowe (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Rowe:

I thought you were sitting in here to listen to me. I see you are just sitting here to vote. If that is the way the Minister of Trade and Commerce feels about it he might as well retire, because he is not doing any good here anyway. We are not going to have a vote tonight. I am not any more generous than you were at six o'clock. I noticed today what Mr. Benson of the United States said they were going to do at GATT. He said that no matter what they do over there they have not yielded one bit on section 22 of the agreement with reference to their agricultural products and their support plan in the United States. In other words, they are going to GATT, but they are not going to reduce the tariff one iota. The same thing was said by Mr. Dulles of the United States.

Yet, Mr. Speaker, our great champions of international trade not only go to GATT but they make all sorts of treaties. My hon. friends are laughing, Mr. Speaker, but I want to tell them that the dairymen across the country are not laughing tonight; the livestock people of this country are not laughing; the half a million unemployed are not laughing tonight, because they see the action of this government, which is one of expediency and no fiscal policy. I ask my hon. friend who looks so smug to rise and tell me whether he stands for free trade. I ask the Minister of National Health and Welfare if he will rise and say whether he stands for free trade.

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Paul Joseph James Martin (Minister of National Health and Welfare)

Liberal

Mr. Martin:

Will you permit me?

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William Earl Rowe (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Rowe:

No. Do you stand for free trade?

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Paul Joseph James Martin (Minister of National Health and Welfare)

Liberal

Mr. Martin:

I stand for a policy that will produce peaceful relations with other nations of the world. That is the policy this government stands for.

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February 1, 1955