June 26, 1954

PC

Edmund Davie Fulton

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Fulton:

This morning the minister gave us a brief survey of the educational work being done in the department. He referred to arrangements with one of the municipalities for education of the Indian children in their schools. I should like to

ask him now with respect to the provision that is being made for education by. way of building Indian schools. It is a large item and I want to put my question in such a form that it will not take much time to answer it. Is it possible to give us a brief outline, of not more than a couple of minutes' duration, of the schools which are

Supply-Citizenship and Immigration being built and the increased student capacity which is being provided under the vote we are now discussing?

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LIB

Walter Edward Harris (Minister of Citizenship and Immigration; Leader of the Government in the House of Commons; Liberal Party House Leader)

Liberal

Mr. Harris:

I could give the breakdown by provinces of the item under consideration. If the committee would give me permission to do so, I would put it on Hansard. It is as follows:

Indian Education-Ordinary Expenditure (includes Operation and Maintenance and New Construction) 1953-54

Province Day schools Residential schools General Total$ cts. 74,242 51 12,837 06 58,568 35 434,153 23 588,509 54 459,922 22 363,449 89 279,837 37 587,457 88 $ cts. 60,090 73 $ cts. $ cts. 134,333 24 12,837 06 58,568 35 713,943 33 1,374,468 79 1,265,995 17 1,032,742 47 1,178,548 72 2,259,400 04 9,906 65 224,644 80 762,402 03 468,960 13 97,866 08 272,431 21 20,712 79

279,790 10 785,959 25 808,072 95 669,292 58 898,711 35 1,671,942 16

9,906 65

115,588 65 30,703 46 109,056 15 731,698 57

Education of Indian children in non-Indian and 468,960 13 97,866 08

204,878 69 10,375 02 67,552 52 192 71

10,145 06

3,220,523 87 6,080,359 07 586,877 92 9,887,760 86

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PC

Edmund Davie Fulton

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Fulton:

I am more particularly interested in the actual number of students accommodated than I am in the number of dollars being spent on schools.

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LIB

Walter Edward Harris (Minister of Citizenship and Immigration; Leader of the Government in the House of Commons; Liberal Party House Leader)

Liberal

Mr. Harris:

This is based on the present day. Enrolment increased by 3,200 last year. We are almost keeping pace now. The backlog of, I think it was, 8,000 Indian children without school accommodation four years ago is now down to about 2,500.

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PC

Edmund Davie Fulton

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Fulton:

How many do you expect to accommodate this year with this item? If the minister cannot give me that information now, perhaps he could send it to me later.

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LIB

Walter Edward Harris (Minister of Citizenship and Immigration; Leader of the Government in the House of Commons; Liberal Party House Leader)

Liberal

Mr. Harris:

This year we hope to construct 69 classrooms.

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CCF

Thomas Speakman Barnett

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. Barnett:

I should like to ask the minister whether the breakdown, which he has indicated he is tabling, indicates the items of the various expenditures within the provinces?

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LIB

Walter Edward Harris (Minister of Citizenship and Immigration; Leader of the Government in the House of Commons; Liberal Party House Leader)

Liberal

Mr. Harris:

No; it does not. However, I could give that information to my hon. friend. What he wants is with respect to British Columbia, I suppose.

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CCF

Thomas Speakman Barnett

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. Barnett:

The minister is putting that information on the record?

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LIB

Walter Edward Harris (Minister of Citizenship and Immigration; Leader of the Government in the House of Commons; Liberal Party House Leader)

Liberal

Mr. Harris:

No. I will write to my hon.

friend.

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Item agreed to. National Gallery of Canada- 75. Administration, operation and maintenance, including industrial design division, $252,185.


PC

William McLean Hamilton

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Hamilton:

Has the minister any reason to believe that any of the paintings purchased by the national gallery have subsequently been found to be other than as originally represented or, in other words, to be forgeries in any way?

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LIB

Walter Edward Harris (Minister of Citizenship and Immigration; Leader of the Government in the House of Commons; Liberal Party House Leader)

Liberal

Mr. Harris:

No.

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PC

Wallace Bickford (Wally) Nesbitt

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Nesbitt:

I have one brief question, this being the last item. Has the minister considered the possibility of extending the service in the department of immigration? I know that the people here are very busy. There must be a great many requests from people trying to get information as to people who came to Canada some years ago, with reference to getting old age pension. It has been my experience-and I think it has been

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Supply-Citizenship and Immigration that of most hon. members-that it takes a great deal of time to get this information. I was wondering whether there was some possibility of increasing the staff in that department.

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LIB

Walter Edward Harris (Minister of Citizenship and Immigration; Leader of the Government in the House of Commons; Liberal Party House Leader)

Liberal

Mr. Harris:

I realize that our staff is sometimes shorthanded, but our records are improving daily. I do not think that now there is much in the way of delay with respect to landing records and similar information with respect to elderly people. At any rate, if there is, we shall be glad to hurry the matter along as quickly as we can.

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PC

William McLean Hamilton

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Hamilton:

When I asked the question before the minister shook his head, I know. I just wanted to put that on the record so that we would have it definitely indicated that there was an answer to the question.

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An hon. Member:

Which way did he shake it, up or down?

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PC

William McLean Hamilton

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Hamilton:

He shook his head in a negative manner. There was a reason for asking the question.

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CCF

Robert Ross (Roy) Knight

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. Knight:

I should like to ask to what extent it is the policy of the national gallery to send collections of works of art to various parts of the country so that those people who, through various circumstances, are unable to come here, may have an opportunity to see some of these works in the original as well as in the reproduction?

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LIB

Walter Edward Harris (Minister of Citizenship and Immigration; Leader of the Government in the House of Commons; Liberal Party House Leader)

Liberal

Mr. Harris:

There are two functions to the national gallery. The first is to maintain a gallery here. The second is to aid the provincial galleries by sending exhibitions to them as requested and as within the competence of the gallery here. As my hon. friend knows, the board of trustees are representative of all sections of the country. They are most anxious that exhibitions tour the country so that local galleries can show some of the paintings we have, if that is what my hon. friend had in mind. I assure him that the extension service is one of the most important parts of the gallery's work.

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June 26, 1954