March 29, 1954

PC

Howard Charles Green

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Green:

The minister suggested there might be some economy, and I was a little startled by that statement.

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LIB

Douglas Charles Abbott (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. Abboli:

That is right.

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PC

Howard Charles Green

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Green:

I find in the 1954-55 estimates that the amount for this building has gone up from $25,000 to $150,000, so there is not very much economy. That includes a revote of $25,000.

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LIB

Douglas Charles Abbott (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. Abbott:

These estimates were prepared of course in the early part of the year. Tenders were received on February 10, 1954, the lowest tender being $116,000, and presumably that is what the extension to the new building will cost, including the additional thousand odd feet of space required by the post office, to provide accommodation for the customs department.

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Donald MacInnis

Mr. Maclnnis:

Is it not possible that the $25,000 included last year was not the full cost of the structure it was intended to build but an appropriation for certain preliminary work?

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LIB

Douglas Charles Abbott (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. Abbott:

I said it was not.

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Donald MacInnis

Mr. Maclnnis:

The $150,000 will come later.

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Mr, Abbott:

That is exactly what it is. I mentioned a moment ago that the $25,000 was put in last year as a vote on account of the preliminary estimated cost of $100,000.

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PC

Harry Oliver White

Progressive Conservative

Mr. White (Middlesex East):

This is a rather unusual procedure, and I wonder whether the government is contemplating a similar procedure with respect to the proposed new post office and public building in the city of St. Thomas?

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LIB

Douglas Charles Abbott (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. Abbott:

We would not ordinarily have to do this where the plans are changed. It is in order to meet the strictly technical requirements of the original vote. We could have waited and put in a new vote next year. I suppose we could have paid nothing until next year, but some expenditures have been incurred on plans and advertising which

should properly be charged against last year's vote. That is why the dollar item is in here.

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PC

Howard Charles Green

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Green:

Then the mention in the 1954-55 estimates of a revote of $25,000 must be wrong. The estimates for the next fiscal year show that it is a revote of $25,000. That was the full amount of the vote for the present fiscal year. Apparently $420 has been spent somewhere.

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LIB

Douglas Charles Abbott (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. Abbott:

I am speaking from recollection of what happened when the matter was brought before treasury board, but as I understand it the vote of $25,000 was put in the estimates this year for a new building. No new building was planned. No plans were prepared for a new building. Nothing was done about it, but expenditures were incurred for the preparation of plans and the calling of tenders for an extension to the old building. That was done. There are some moneys owed for that. This dollar item will authorize the expenditure out of the $25,000 voted last year of $400 odd covering these costs, and that is all it is.

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Harry Oliver White

Progressive Conservative

Mr. White (Middlesex East):

The minister did not answer my question. I said that this was a rather unusual procedure and I wondered if they were going to adopt the same procedure in the city of St. Thomas where there has been a bit of a controversy about whether they would use the old post office and old public building there or erect a new one on a site that has already been acquired.

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LIB

Douglas Charles Abbott (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. Abbott:

That would be a policy decision on which I would have no information at the moment.

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Item agreed to. Engineering branch- Graving docks- 599. Prince Rupert dry dock and shipyard and appurtenant works-additional amount in excess of the sum of $110,000 already authorized by vote 343 of the Appropriation Act No. 3, 1953, for the payment of operating losses and essential repairs, all such payments to be made in respect of operations during the calendar year 1953-further amount required, $103,324.


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Donald MacInnis

Mr. Maclnnis:

Together with the $110,000 authorized earlier, this additional vote will mean a total of $213,324 for operation and maintenance. Does any revenue accrue to the government from the operation of this graving dock? Has the minister that information before him?

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Douglas Charles Abbott (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. Abbott:

I believe -there is some revenue but I do not think I have the information here at the moment. The dock is operated by Canadian National Railways. It has been under a management contract from ourselves whereby we pay the deficit. I know the

matter was discussed some time ago and an announcement was made by one of my colleagues not very long ago as to the temporary continuance of the operation of the dock. I do not think I have the figures here on what revenue was received. The deficit from January 1 to December 31, 1953, was

$213,323.43. The main estimates provided $110,000 toward that deficit and the proposed vote here of $103,324 covers the difference.

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Frederick Davis Shaw

Social Credit

Mr. Shaw:

May I ask the minister why it is when the sum of $25,000 is appropriated and $420 is spent, the amount spent is not taken out of the $25,000 appropriation approved by parliament and then a revote put in of $25,000 less the $420? Why is that procedure not followed?

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LIB

Douglas Charles Abbott (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. Abbott:

My understanding is that the strict language of the original vote would not have permitted this payment, that we have to have the dollar item in order to amend the wording of the original vote. That is all that vote is doing. It is amending the language-that was the information I was given-of the original vote. I am sorry now I ever did it because it would have been quite legal to pay the $420 out of unforeseen and miscellaneous, but being so scrupulous we followed this procedure.

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Stanley Howard Knowles (Whip of the Co-operative Commonwealth Federation)

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. Knowles:

I wonder if this mysterious $419-

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March 29, 1954