March 29, 1954

PC

Howard Charles Green

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Green:

This is another one of the $1 items. The description makes it appear as though there is $420 required to build a public building, that the department had on hand, in the Quebec vote for buildings, $419, so they now just want $1. That seems almost too good to be true.

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS
Subtopic:   INTERIM SUPPLY
Sub-subtopic:   $1,100,000.
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LIB

Douglas Charles Abbott (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. Abbott:

This is a real economy measure, Mr. Chairman. It was contemplated that a new public building would be erected in Huntingdon and an appropriate item was put in the estimates to prepare plans and acquire a site. Then on re-examination of the situation it was found that it would be satisfactory to extend the present building. The vote which was originally there to prepare plans and so on is sufficient to do that, but of course that does not authorize the doing of it. This item of $1 is to give statutory authorization to do that.

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS
Subtopic:   INTERIM SUPPLY
Sub-subtopic:   $1,100,000.
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PC

Howard Charles Green

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Greer.:

The vote in the present fiscal year, I think, was $25,000.

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS
Subtopic:   INTERIM SUPPLY
Sub-subtopic:   $1,100,000.
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LIB

Douglas Charles Abbott (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. Abbott:

That is right.

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS
Subtopic:   INTERIM SUPPLY
Sub-subtopic:   $1,100,000.
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PC

Howard Charles Green

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Green:

Just how do we get from the $25,000 to $420, then to $419 and then to the $1?

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS
Subtopic:   INTERIM SUPPLY
Sub-subtopic:   $1,100,000.
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LIB

Douglas Charles Abbott (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. Abbott:

The $1 is merely to give statutory authorization to use the $25,000 item for this extension. The $25,000 was an initial item of an estimated cost of $100,000. It now looks as though we shall get a satisfactory

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public building in Huntingdon for certainly not more than the $25,000 required for this extension. As I said, an amount of $25,000 was provided in the 1953-54 main estimates towards the cost of constructing a new customs building at Huntingdon, province of Quebec, at a preliminary estimated cost of $100,000. Subsequent to the request from customs for this new building, the Post Office Department advised that they would require an additional 1,071 square feet. Having this in mind, and the fact that the operating and maintenance costs on one building are considerably lower than on two, it was decided to construct an addition to the present public building to provide the necessary accommodation for both customs and post office.

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS
Subtopic:   INTERIM SUPPLY
Sub-subtopic:   $1,100,000.
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PC

Howard Charles Green

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Green:

How much was this extension to cost?

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS
Subtopic:   INTERIM SUPPLY
Sub-subtopic:   $1,100,000.
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LIB

Douglas Charles Abbott (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. Abbott:

I do not know that I have the full data here.

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS
Subtopic:   INTERIM SUPPLY
Sub-subtopic:   $1,100,000.
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PC

Howard Charles Green

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Green:

I still do not see how we get from $25,000 to the $420. The minister has not explained that.

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS
Subtopic:   INTERIM SUPPLY
Sub-subtopic:   $1,100,000.
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LIB

Douglas Charles Abbott (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. Abbott:

We will not get to the $420. The only explanation I gave was that the $25,000 in this vote for Huntingdon during this current fiscal year is not available legally for the construction of an extension to the existing building but only for the construction of a new building. We have started to extend the existing building and wish to use the $25,000 voted for the cost of that new building towards the cost of that addition to the building.

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS
Subtopic:   INTERIM SUPPLY
Sub-subtopic:   $1,100,000.
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PC

Howard Charles Green

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Green:

Why did they put in this figure of $420?

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS
Subtopic:   INTERIM SUPPLY
Sub-subtopic:   $1,100,000.
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LIB

Douglas Charles Abbott (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. Abboti:

I thought we were discussing the $1 item.

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS
Subtopic:   INTERIM SUPPLY
Sub-subtopic:   $1,100,000.
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CCF

Stanley Howard Knowles (Whip of the Co-operative Commonwealth Federation)

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. Knowles:

X minus Y equals 1.

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS
Subtopic:   INTERIM SUPPLY
Sub-subtopic:   $1,100,000.
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LIB

Douglas Charles Abbott (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. Abboit:

Here it is. The note is to this effect. When the estimates were being prepared, on March 1, 1954, treasury board authority had not been obtained for the new contract. It is therefore anticipated that the expenditure of $420 already made for survey and advertising will be the only charge against 1953-54 funds.

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Subtopic:   INTERIM SUPPLY
Sub-subtopic:   $1,100,000.
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PC

Howard Charles Green

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Green:

Then the $25,000 has already been spent?

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS
Subtopic:   INTERIM SUPPLY
Sub-subtopic:   $1,100,000.
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LIB

Douglas Charles Abbott (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. Abbott:

No.

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Subtopic:   INTERIM SUPPLY
Sub-subtopic:   $1,100,000.
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PC

Howard Charles Green

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Green:

How much has been spent? Is it the amount $419 or $420 or $1?

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Subtopic:   INTERIM SUPPLY
Sub-subtopic:   $1,100,000.
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LIB

Douglas Charles Abbott (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. Abbott:

I am afraid that I cannot give that information at the moment.

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Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS
Subtopic:   INTERIM SUPPLY
Sub-subtopic:   $1,100,000.
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CCF

Stanley Howard Knowles (Whip of the Co-operative Commonwealth Federation)

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. Knowles:

There is one other point. Maybe the minister cannot answer this either. How does he relate the $25,000 that was voted in 1953-54, this $420 we are talking about now and the fact that in the 1954-55 estimates there is an item for the Huntingdon public building of $150,000 which includes a $25,000 revote. Is it now sufficiently confused?

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS
Subtopic:   INTERIM SUPPLY
Sub-subtopic:   $1,100,000.
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LIB

Douglas Charles Abbott (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. Abbott:

Yes, I think so. I think it must be, I am afraid I cannot answer the question at the moment. As I say, this is to enable the vote which was put in to authorize the expenditure on the new building to be available for the changed situation. I will have to get the details from the Department of Public Works.

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS
Subtopic:   INTERIM SUPPLY
Sub-subtopic:   $1,100,000.
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March 29, 1954