March 29, 1954


Item agreed to. National research council and atomic energy control board- National research council- 585. Salaries and other expenses-further amount required including authority for additional expenditures from revenues derived from publications, laboratory fees, plant engineering, shop work and the conduct of its operations generally, $1.


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Stanley Howard Knowles (Whip of the Co-operative Commonwealth Federation)

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. Knowles:

Perhaps the minister could offer a word of explanation. I believe these dollar items should be looked at more carefully than some of the larger ones. This item covering an amount of one dollar seems to be required for two purposes which I suppose could be a matter of 50 cents each. The amount is required for salaries and other expenses and for certain other transactions. I am sure the purpose of this is not to obtain a further amount of one dollar. If it were the minister could surely provide it from his own pocket. Perhaps the minister can explain.

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Douglas Charles Abbott (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. Abbott:

The explanation is that the amount of the estimates approved by parliament included an amount of $500,000 to be provided from revenue for salaries and other expenses. There now appears to be some question as to council's authority to make any expenditure from revenue. The purpose of this supplementary estimate is to obtain parliamentary authorization for the council to make expenditures for salaries and other expenses from revenue derived from such operations as publications, laboratory fees, plant engineering, shop work and the conduct of its operations generally in connection with the Research Council Act now under consideration which will become effective before the end of the fiscal year. This is clearly an example of the use of the one dollar item to which I do not share the objection raised in most cases. This is clearly a case in which that kind of item is fully justified.

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Stanley Howard Knowles (Whip of the Co-operative Commonwealth Federation)

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. Knowles:

Without going into the question of legislating by this one dollar item, is it clear that the legislating being done under this dollar item is just for a temporary period?

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Douglas Charles Abbott (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. Abbott:

Just for this current year.

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CCF

Stanley Howard Knowles (Whip of the Co-operative Commonwealth Federation)

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. Knowles:

Legislating by an item in the estimates for that purpose is approved by the Auditor General but he does not approve of it being done on a long term basis.

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Howard Charles Green

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Green:

What provisions are being made for similar expenditures from revenue in the fiscal year of 1954-55?

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Douglas Charles Abbott (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. Abbott:

As I indicated before, there is a bill now before the house amending the Research Council Act which will contain the appropriate provisions.

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Item agreed to. Atomic energy control board- Atomic Energy of Canada Limited (research program) - 586. Current operation and maintenance-further amount required, $265,000.


CCF

Stanley Howard Knowles (Whip of the Co-operative Commonwealth Federation)

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. Knowles:

Would the minister explain the reason for this additional amount?

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Douglas Charles Abbott (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. Abbott:

This amount of $265,000 is made up as follows: the first item provides for expenses arising out of contributions to the superannuation fund under the terms of the Public Service Superannuation Act in respect of employees; the total amounts to $160,000. The second additional amount is required for the repair of the NRX reactor amounting to $105,000, which makes a total of $265,000.

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Howard Charles Green

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Green:

Will that complete the repairs to the reactor?

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LIB

Douglas Charles Abbott (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. Abbott:

I think so, Mr. Chairman, but I would not be quite sure about that because we usually try to get that in at the end of the fiscal year.

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Item agreed to. DEPARTMENT OF NORTHERN AFFAIRS AND NATIONAL RESOURCES Forestry operations division- 592. To provide for contributions to the provinces for assistance in forest inventory and reforestation in accordance with agreements that have been or may be entered into by Canada and the provinces -further amount required, $100,000.


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Howard Charles Green

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Green:

I wonder if we could have an explanation of the purpose for which this $100,000 is to be expended? What distribution has there been between the different provinces not only in regard to this item but of the corresponding item in the main estimates?

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Douglas Charles Abbott (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. Abboit:

The main estimates, as my hon. friend will recall, provide for a total of $1 million. On this supplementary estimate of $100,000 the note I have indicates that during the fiscal years 1951-52 and 195253 the actual payments made to the provinces for inventory and reforestation combined were short of the authorized ceilings by 20 and 16 per cent respectively. Having regard to this experience and in order to avoid the necessity of conferring with the provinces for the negotiation of new individual ceilings, the minister has approved inventory and reforestation programs submitted by the provinces for the fiscal year 1953-54, the federal share of which amounts to about 16 per cent more than the $1,225,000

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authorized by treasury board and appropriated by parliament. A reappraisal of the cost of the current year's programs, recently made by the provinces, indicated some reduction in the total cost as compared with the estimates given in their programs. However, according to this latest estimate the appropriation may be exceeded by as much as $100,000. I have not a breakdown of how that is divided between the provinces but that could be obtained. In any case the Minister of Northern Affairs and National Resources will be able to give them when the corresponding item comes up.

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Howard Charles Green

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Green:

The whole amount is to be spent for inventory?

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LIB

Douglas Charles Abbott (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. Abboit:

Yes, and reforestation.

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Howard Charles Green

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Green:

I believe in the original estimate the amounts were divided between inventory which got by far the largest proportion-

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LIB

Douglas Charles Abbott (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. Abbott:

I believe my hon. friend is right. The whole amount is for inventory this year.

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March 29, 1954