December 14, 1953

LIB

Jean-François Pouliot

Liberal

Mr. Pouliot:

I am here to bring my hon. friend back to common sense, and it is a tremendous job. I do not expect to succeed. Everybody can see how hard it is.

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SC

John Horne Blackmore

Social Credit

Mr. Blackmore:

Say "Social Credit".

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LIB

William Alfred Robinson (Deputy Speaker and Chair of Committees of the Whole of the House of Commons)

Liberal

Mr. Deputy Speaker:

Order.

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Stanley Howard Knowles (Whip of the Co-operative Commonwealth Federation)

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. Knowles:

Let us get back to conservation.

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LIB

Jean-François Pouliot

Liberal

Mr. Pouliot:

The premier of Alberta is gifted enough to deny the policy advocated by the hon. member for Royal.

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SC

John Horne Blackmore

Social Credit

Mr. Blackmore:

Hear, hear. I agree with him.

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LIB

Jean-François Pouliot

Liberal

Mr. Pouliot:

Very well. I never thought I would win my point. It is quite a miracle. I appreciate the fact. My hon. friend has spoken earnestly according to his good judgment. He realizes that when one forgets his theories he may become human again.

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SC

John Horne Blackmore

Social Credit

Mr. Blackmore:

Merci beaucoup.

Conservation

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LIB

Jean-François Pouliot

Liberal

Mr. Poulioi:

I do not have to tell my friend the hon. member for Royal (Mr. Brooks) that if the province of New Brunswick has financial difficulties of any kind there is a great remedy for that province. The remedy is to annex itself to the province of Quebec, whose finances are much sounder than those of the province of New Brunswick. The annexation of New Brunswick to Quebec would settle many difficulties. But if they proceed with their schemes I want to say that the government of Canada has been most generous and the parliament of Canada has been most generous in passing legislation by virtue of which the government of Canada pays 37J per cent to help the provinces to develop their water power.

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LIB

William Alfred Robinson (Deputy Speaker and Chair of Committees of the Whole of the House of Commons)

Liberal

Mr. Deputy Speaker:

Order. May I remind the hon. member that we are discussing a resolution on conservation.

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LIB

Jean-François Pouliot

Liberal

Mr. Pouliot:

Well, it is not precisely conservation of water; it is conservation of water power. That is what I want to bring to your attention. I am speaking of the conservation of water power in this country. If the government of New Brunswick has not enough financial backbone to pay the remainder of the cost of these big dams, the only thing for them to do is to be annexed to the province of Quebec.

I have no authority to say that the government will not consider any other request the government of New Brunswick may make with regard to the conservation 'of water power within its limits, but what I say is that I have enough confidence in the good sense and good judgment of the Prime Minister and the members of this government to believe earnestly that the Canadian government will never agree to advance money, millions of dollars, nearly half a billion dollars, to the province of New Brunswick without interest on an I.O.U. This is not what should be done.

Some years ago when the natural resources which belonged to Canada were transferred by the government of Canada to the prairie provinces, I was greatly concerned. I thought of the experience not of the provinces but of the governments that were there. I worried for the future. I said that they would come again to beg for new favours, and what guarantee would the dominion government have then? It was done as a fine gesture of sportsmanship and generosity. Ottawa divested itself of all rights that it had in our natural resources. They were handed over without any conditions to the western provinces, which played politics with them. They came and they came again and

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they came once more and they came again asking for money at the expense of the central provinces of Canada, and Ottawa had no guarantee of the natural resources of the prairie provinces.

Well, sir, I am very glad that the Prime Minister has decided to put in charge of the department-

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LIB

William Alfred Robinson (Deputy Speaker and Chair of Committees of the Whole of the House of Commons)

Liberal

Mr. Deputy Speaker:

Order. May I remind the hon. member once more that we are discussing a resolution on conservation and not a subject which we discussed a day or so ago concerning a new name for a department.

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LIB

Jean-François Pouliot

Liberal

Mr. Pouliot:

You cannot imagine, sir, how much my heart aches when I realize that your mind is too quick and you do not afford me the opportunity to conclude my sentence. If I cannot conclude my argument, at least please let me finish my sentence. I was just speaking of the minister who replied on behalf of the government. I was saying that I was satisfied as a member of parliament, as the second senior member of the House of Commons, to see that the Prime Minister had chosen to head the Department of Resources and Development a young member who is fair, who is ambitious, who realizes how great is the future of Canada; and I congratulate not only the Minister of Resources and Development but also the Prime Minister and his colleagues. Now, before I conclude-

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CCF

Stanley Howard Knowles (Whip of the Co-operative Commonwealth Federation)

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. Knowles:

The sentence.

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LIB

Jean-François Pouliot

Liberal

Mr. Pouliot:

Does my hon. friend suggest that what I have said is out of order?

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CCF

Stanley Howard Knowles (Whip of the Co-operative Commonwealth Federation)

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. Knowles:

No, I was just thinking that it was a long sentence you were concluding.

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LIB

Jean-François Pouliot

Liberal

Mr. Pouliot:

I iam not begging for charity. I am using my right as a member of parliament to discuss a matter that is before the house. I do not come here as a beggar. I come here as a member who was a member *when my hon. friend was wearing short pants.

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CCF

Stanley Howard Knowles (Whip of the Co-operative Commonwealth Federation)

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. Knowles:

You are a year or so out.

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LIB

Jean-François Pouliot

Liberal

Mr. Pouliot:

Now, sir, it is not a question of age. It is a question of seniority. Besides, I know my hon. friend is much younger than I am. To conclude, over stormy seas, over seas agitated by a hurricane-no, it is not as bad as that-to conclude I thank you, sir-

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CCF

Stanley Howard Knowles (Whip of the Co-operative Commonwealth Federation)

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. Knowles:

This is where I got out of my short pants.

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December 14, 1953