May 13, 1953

CCF

Stanley Howard Knowles (Whip of the Co-operative Commonwealth Federation)

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. Knowles:

Mr. Chairman, in connection with the estimates of another department yesterday the hon. member for Greenwood asked whether the department concerned was put in a position to recoup its expenses. I do not wish to imply that I agreed with the inference that was made yesterday, but I wonder if that kind of a question might not appropriately be asked on this item. Is the money that we spend all outgo so far as the treasury is concerned, or is any portion of this money recouped from those who gain, by the issuing of these patents?

Supply-Secretary of State

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Frederick Gordon Bradley (Secretary of State of Canada)

Liberal

Mr. Bradley:

Mr. Chairman, our expenditures in the last fiscal year for this branch were $822,898. The revenue, as at March 31, amounted to $701,943.

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Item agreed to. 425. Copyright and industrial designs division, including a contribution of $2,100 to the union office for the protection of literary and artistic works, $20,438.


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Ellen Louks Fairclough

Progressive Conservative

Mrs. Fairclough:

I wonder if the Secretary of State will say whether he contemplates providing Canadian composers with means for copyrighting their original musical compositions?

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Frederick Gordon Bradley (Secretary of State of Canada)

Liberal

Mr. Bradley:

I do not know that there is anything to prevent a Canadian composer from copyrighting his production now.

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Ellen Louks Fairclough

Progressive Conservative

Mrs. Fairclough:

The department offers no facilities for copyright, Mr. Chairman. The only procedure open to a composer is to mail a copy of the composition "fS~iiimself on a given date, sealed and registered, and never open it, in order that he may prove that the composition was his on that date. Such compositions can be copyrighted in the United States, and the only course open to Canadians is to copyright their compositions in the United States.

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Frederick Gordon Bradley (Secretary of State of Canada)

Liberal

Mr. Bradley:

As a matter of fact copyright exists without registration, and I do not understand why the particular case to which my hon. friend refers cannot be straightened out.

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Ellen Louks Fairclough

Progressive Conservative

Mrs. Fairclough:

This is not a particular case. I have been all through it, and I tried very hard to get Canadian copyright for an original composition. You just cannot get it in Canada.

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Frederick Gordon Bradley (Secretary of State of Canada)

Liberal

Mr. Bradley:

My understanding is that they are registered every day.

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Ellen Louks Fairclough

Progressive Conservative

Mrs. Fairclough:

The name can be registered but not the composition.

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Item agreed to. Special- 735. To provide for special expenditures by all departments in connection with the coronation of Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth IX, $1,000,000.


PC

Donald Methuen Fleming

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Fleming:

I wonder if the minister would indicate to the committee in general how this sum is to be expended.

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Frederick Gordon Bradley (Secretary of State of Canada)

Liberal

Mr. Bradley:

Mr. Chairman, this will cover the expenses of the department itself in connection with travelling expenses, salaries, office expenses and various other expenditures to the amount of about $67,970. The Department of External Affairs will require roughly $25,000. Canada House has a vote

here for expenditures which will be made by them for various purposes over there, including decorations, the hire of cars and one thing and another like that, amounting to some $14,000. Then the Department of Public Works requires a substantial amount, $243,500, for decorations all over Canada.

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Gordon Knapman Fraser

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Fraser:

Will that be for decorations for public buildings all over Canada?

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Frederick Gordon Bradley (Secretary of State of Canada)

Liberal

Mr. Bradley:

Yes. The Department of National Defence requires $468,000, roughly. They have a contingent in the Ottawa ceremony, and there will be some 700 or 800 servicemen over in London. The Royal Canadian Mounted Police will require $75,200, and there is $100,000 for the expenses of the Canadian mint in connection with the production of the school children's medallion.

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Donald Methuen Fleming

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Fleming:

Is the item of $243,500 for the Department of Public Works to be used exclusively for the decoration of public buildings, or is anything else included?

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Frederick Gordon Bradley (Secretary of State of Canada)

Liberal

Mr. Bradley:

It will cover the decoration of public buildings, that is federal buildings, in the various parts of Canada and the decoration of the parliament buildings as well as confederation square.

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Gordon Knapman Fraser

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Fraser:

And the new platform.

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Frederick Gordon Bradley (Secretary of State of Canada)

Liberal

Mr. Bradley:

Yes.

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Item agreed to. Public archives- 312. Bibliographic centre (national library). $76,608.


May 13, 1953