April 1, 1953

LIB

Robert Henry Winters (Minister of Resources and Development)

Liberal

Mr. Winters:

Each project will be considered on its merits. There is no limitation or specification as to the over-all amount involved.

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William Joseph Browne

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Browne (St. John's West):

Have any requests been received from provinces other than Ontario up to the present time?

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LIB

Robert Henry Winters (Minister of Resources and Development)

Liberal

Mr. Winters:

No specific requests have been received. Requests of a general nature have been received.

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Winfield Chester Scott McLure

Progressive Conservative

Mr. McLure:

I should like the minister to answer the question I asked him a while ago. Would the rebuilding of mill ponds and dams in the province of Prince Edward Island be too small a proposition to take into consideration? The local government has already taken on two or three such projects and they now have fish ponds. One man is anxious to get some assistance because he wants to build a small power plant. Would that be too small?

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LIB

Robert Henry Winters (Minister of Resources and Development)

Liberal

Mr. Winters:

Each project would have to be reviewed on its merits. Whether or not it was too small or too large would depend upon the size of the project, the revenues of the province, and the willingness of the municipality and the provincial government to participate and bring it forward for consideration. Each project would have to be considered on its own merits.

[Mr. Browne (St. John's West).!

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LIB

André Gauthier

Liberal

Mr. Gauthier (Porineuf):

Suppose a province refuses to call for tenders. What happens?

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LIB

Robert Henry Winters (Minister of Resources and Development)

Liberal

Mr. Winters:

It is part of the practice in federal government operations of this kind to let contracts on the basis of tender, and it would be the intention under the bill to have that practice followed.

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LIB

Pierre Gauthier

Liberal

Mr. Gauthier (Portneuf):

Suppose the authority in the province does not want to agree to the calling of tenders?

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LIB

Robert Henry Winters (Minister of Resources and Development)

Liberal

Mr. Winters:

We would then have to decide whether or not there would be an agreement under the act. We are not committed to an agreement. If conditions are not such as to conform with the terms of the practice people would normally expect of us we would not enter into an agreement.

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LIB

Pierre Gauthier

Liberal

Mr. Gauthier (Portneuf):

Then the same thing would happen as happened with the highway program.

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PC

John Alpheus Charlton

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Charlton:

Mr. Chairman-

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An hon. Member:

Six o'clock.

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PC

John Alpheus Charlton

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Charlton:

Do you want me to call it six o'clock?

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LIB

Alphonse Fournier (Minister of Public Works; Leader of the Government in the House of Commons; Liberal Party House Leader)

Liberal

Mr. Fournier (Hull):

There are only a few sections of the bill left. I cannot recall how many speeches were made, but we had quite a discussion at the resolution stage, and we have spent some time on second reading this afternoon. There are only four or five sections left, and perhaps the house would bear with us for a few minutes.

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IND

Paul-Edmond Gagnon

Independent

Mr. Gagnon:

Six o'clock.

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Percy Chapman Black

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Black (Cumberland):

I think we might pay some heed to the melodious voice of the Minister of Public Works and carry on a little longer by common consent. Personally I do not like to see a tendency on the part of the house or the chairman of the committee to force any legislation through. The minister has told us that this special legislation was designed in order to enlist the interest and co-operation of the provinces. I would ask him if he or his department have received any direct communications from provinces other than Ontario. Have any been received from the province of Nova Scotia or the province of Saskatchewan? Since the legislation was before the house at the resolution stage there has been very heavy flooding in the province of Nova Scotia. Considerable damage was done in certain places, in Oxford in my county and in Truro in Colchester county, as well as in other parts of Nova Scotia.

I would ask the minister if any communications have been received from the province of Nova Scotia and whether he has

made any direct representations to them. I would also ask whether there have been any similar contacts with the province of Saskatchewan. When this legislation was in the resolution stage discussions were held in connection with the South Saskatchewan dam, irrigation and control of flooding in the province of Saskatchewan. I would like to have a statement from the minister.

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Donald MacInnis

Mr. Maclnnis:

Mr. Chairman, I think this is too important a measure to be shoved through the house under pressure. We may be desirous of getting away from here by a certain date, but the time to have begun to prepare for that was several weeks ago, not when we have a measure of this kind before us. We have an hour for adjourning, and I think we should adhere to it.

Section stands.

Progress reported.

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Business of the House BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE Mr. Fournier (Hull): I move that the house do now adjourn. Tomorrow we will continue with Bill No. 109. We will then take up Bill No. 293, to implement the international convention for the high seas fisheries of the north Pacific ocean; the resolution respecting the Emergency Gold Mining Assistance Act; the resolution respecting the measure to amend the Trans-Canada Air Lines Act, 1937; and also the resolution to amend the Fisheries Research Board Act. There is also the resolution to amend the National Housing Act, 1944, and the resolution to amend the National Defence Act. I think that will take the day.

Motion agreed to and the house adjourned at 6.05 p.m.

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April 1, 1953