March 9, 1953

IND

John Lambert Gibson

Independent

Mr. Gibson:

Is that unanimous over there?

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CCF

Herbert Wilfred Herridge

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. Herridge:

That is the policy of this party.

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LIB

John Sylvester Aloysius Sinnott

Liberal

Mr. Sinnotl:

What about Moose Jaw?

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CCF

Herbert Wilfred Herridge

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. Herridge:

We believe in an excess profits tax, particularly on the large profits

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Government Organization-Proposed Inquiry of big corporations and a capital gains tax where indicated. Let us be frank about this. We from this side of the house urge the elimination of the means test for the blind. Day after day we have appeals asking for increases in payments for old age security. All of us support increases in war veterans' allowances, and are advocating those increases almost daily. There are a good many men and women in this country who badly require those increases at this time.

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LIB

Elie Beauregard (Speaker of the Senate)

Liberal

Mr. Speaker:

I am afraid the debate is getting a little too general.

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CCF

Herbert Wilfred Herridge

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. Herridge:

I am giving illustrations of the necessity, from our point of view, of higher corporation taxes.

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LIB

Elie Beauregard (Speaker of the Senate)

Liberal

Mr. Speaker:

I have allowed considerable latitude, but I think the debate is getting a little too general at the moment.

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CCF

Herbert Wilfred Herridge

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. Herridge:

Very well; I bow to your ruling. I should like to have brought out a few more things, but we all know what they are. There are all the things that we are advocating which would cause increased government expenditure. We voted for the Saskatchewan dam, which will cost $200 . million. How can you pay for that dam without taxes? Excuse me, Mr. Speaker; I will stop there. I want to emphasize this: the fact is that we cannot continue to advocate these things that are required for the benefit of the Canadian people and to improve our welfare services and do all these things generally to assist various groups, without admitting that we must have taxation to pay for them. And any savings that may be developed through the result of government economies in my opinion should not mean the lowering of corporation taxes, but should be applied to do the things that we continually suggest, and lower taxation for the lower income groups.

In concluding my few remarks, Mr. Speaker, I want to emphasize we believe that the savings that would result from economies in the Department of National Defence, and possibly in other departments, should be applied to do some of the things that this group advocates from day to day, and that we emphasize are necessary. We believe in increased corporation taxes to increase the return to the workers and farmers of this country of a greater amount of their production.

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LIB

Elie Beauregard (Speaker of the Senate)

Liberal

Mr. Speaker:

Is it the pleasure of the house to adopt the motion?

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LIB

Douglas Charles Abbott (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. Abbott:

No.

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LIB

Elie Beauregard (Speaker of the Senate)

Liberal

Mr. Speaker:

Those in favour of the motion will please say yea.

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?

Some hon. Members:

Yea.

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LIB

Elie Beauregard (Speaker of the Senate)

Liberal

Mr. Speaker:

Those opposed to this motion will please say nay.

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?

Some hon. Members:

Nay.

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LIB

Elie Beauregard (Speaker of the Senate)

Liberal

Mr. Speaker:

In my opinion the nays

have it.

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LIB

Robert McCubbin (Parliamentary Assistant to the Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. McCubbin:

I was paired with the hon. member for Middlesex East (Mr. White). Had I voted I would have voted against the amendment.

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PC

James Arthur Ross

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Ross (Souris):

I was paired with the hon. member for Melville (Mr. Gardiner). Had I voted I would have voted for the amendment.

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SC

Charles Edward Johnston

Social Credit

Mr. Johnston:

I was paired with the hon. member for Halton (Mr. Cleaver). Had I voted I would have voted in favour of the amendment.

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PC

Lewis Elston Cardiff

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Cardiff:

I was paired. I would have voted in favour of the amendment.

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LIB

Tom Goode

Liberal

Mr. Goode:

I was paired with the hon. member for Medicine Hat (Mr. Wylie).

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March 9, 1953