March 9, 1953

MAIL SERVICE, MONTREAL-NEW BRUNSWICK

LIB

Mr. Riley:

Liberal

1. Is mail destined for New Brunswick out of Montreal, or from New Brunswick for Montreal presently being transported by motor vehicle to and from Sherbrooke, Quebec?

2. If so, what are the reasons for this change?

3. What was the amount of money paid to the Canadian Pacific Railway for transporting this mail between these two points during the last twelve months when it was transported by rail?

4. What personnel changes in the railway post offices have been effected as a result?

5. Does the Post Office Department contemplate eliminating any railway post offices presently operating in the province of New Brunswick in favour of transportation of mails by motor vehicle?

6. If so, what is the rate presently paid to the railways for transporting such mails?

7. Will there be any reduction in the number of postal clerks presently employed in New Brunswick?

8. If so, upon whose suggestions or recommendations are such changes being contemplated?

Topic:   MAIL SERVICE, MONTREAL-NEW BRUNSWICK
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MEDICAL EQUIPMENT AND SUPPLIES

PC

Mr. Fraser:

Progressive Conservative

1. What was the total cost of all medical equipment bought by the government, during each of the fiscal years, 1949-50, 1950-51, 1951-52, and from April 1 to December 31, 1952?

2. What was the total cost of medical supplies bought by the government, during each of the fiscal years, 1949-50, 1950-51, 1951-52, and from April 1 to December 31, 1952?

3. What is the total cost of medical supplies stored by the government at the present time, (a) in Canada; (b) outside of Canada?

Topic:   MEDICAL EQUIPMENT AND SUPPLIES
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MOTIONS FOR PAPERS

LUNAM CONSTRUCTION COMPANY

PC

John George Diefenbaker

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Diefenbaker:

For a copy of all correspondence and telegrams since the first day of January, 1951, between any department of government and the Lunam Construction Company Limited of Regina, Saskatchewan, having to do with the failure of the said company to complete its several contracts, and in particular referring to the work progress reports submitted by it on the various construction projects under consideration by the said company, together with any statements on file containing the liabilities of the said company.

Topic:   MOTIONS FOR PAPERS
Subtopic:   LUNAM CONSTRUCTION COMPANY
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LIB

Alphonse Fournier (Minister of Public Works; Leader of the Government in the House of Commons; Liberal Party House Leader)

Liberal

Mr. Fournier (Hull):

Mr. Speaker, may I ask the hon. gentleman to allow this motion to stand. I wish to discuss the terms of it with my officials.

Topic:   MOTIONS FOR PAPERS
Subtopic:   LUNAM CONSTRUCTION COMPANY
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LIB

Elie Beauregard (Speaker of the Senate)

Liberal

Mr. Speaker:

Stand.

Motions for Papers

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Subtopic:   LUNAM CONSTRUCTION COMPANY
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FORT GARRY HOTEL, WINNIPEG

PC

John George Diefenbaker

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Diefenbaker:

For a copy of all letters, telegrams and other communications between senior officers and officials of the Canadian National Railways and Robert Pitt, M.B.E., then manager of the Fort Garry hotel, Winnipeg, concerning complaints as to allotment of rooms to federal ministers of the crown in the said hotel, and of all replies to such letters, telegrams and communications in any way referring to alleged complaints since the 1st day of September 1952 and to date.

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LIB

Lionel Chevrier (Minister of Transport)

Liberal

Mr. Chevrier:

This matter is one which concerns the internal management of the Canadian National Railways; and as the house knows, it has not been the policy either of the various departments or of the Canadian National Railways to table correspondence having to do with officers within the department. This policy is one of long standing which has been followed in this house not only by Liberal governments but by Conservative governments as well. My colleague, the Minister of Resources and Development (Mr. Winters), some days ago quoted from a statement made in this house by the Right Hon. Arthur Meighen. It was a statement made in 1920, dealing with a matter having some relation to that which is now before the house. I should like to quote from another statement made by Mr. Meighen in 1921, during which time the then minister of the interior, as I believe he was, gave cogent reasons for the policy which, I submit with deference, should be followed on this occasion. His remarks can be found at pages 1182-3 of Hansard of that year and are as follows:

I think it will be obvious that if the Canadian National directorate are to be compelled to answer to resolutions, which by the dozen may be put upon the order paper of this house every day, calling for copies of correspondence, for the disclosure of every fact and of every deed connected with the operation of the road, they will be put under a disability that their great competitor is not under at all. Should we do that they might well say: You shackle us in the management of the road: you refuse to give us that latitude and freedom of management that every successful business must have; you therefore will have to take the responsibility of failure-we do not. That would be the position they would logically assume. I venture to say that no board of directors, no president and general manager who would be big enough for the tremendous task of operating that system today, would undertake to assume such responsibility under conditions that would be brought about were this amendment to be adopted.

As the minister responsible for the Department of Transport I have always taken the position that it is not in the interests of the Canadian National Railways to give information which relates to the internal operation of the system, and which other competitors or other business organizations would not be required to produce. In fact, the hon. member who has made this motion

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seems-at least to my way of thinking-to have adopted and to have accepted that position when the debate took place on the motion that I referred to in connection with the Minister of Resources and Development because-and I am sorry the hon. member is not in his seat now-after the position was set out by my colleague he had this to say, as reported at page 2292 of Hansard:

Topic:   FORT GARRY HOTEL, WINNIPEG
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PC

John George Diefenbaker

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Diefenbaker:

I would point out, Mr. Speaker, that Mr. Meighen was dealing with the Canadian National Railways and he stated that it would be impossible to furnish parliament with the information, particularly in view of the size of the C.N.R. and the number of employees of that body.

He seemed in that case to be arguing away against Central Mortgage and Housing Corporation but in favour of the C.N.R.; and in my opinion at least he seemed to be taking the position that Mr. Meighen was correct in the attitude he then took.

For the reasons I have stated I would hope that the hon. member for Lake Centre (Mr. Diefenbaker) or the hon. member who speaks for him today would consent to the withdrawal of this motion.

Topic:   FORT GARRY HOTEL, WINNIPEG
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PC

Howard Charles Green

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Green:

Mr. Speaker, in view of the

fact that this motion appears to be controversial and that the hon. member for Lake Centre is not able to be here this afternoon, I would suggest that the motion stand over until his return.

Topic:   FORT GARRY HOTEL, WINNIPEG
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LIB

NATIONAL DEFENCE ADMINISTRATION- INVESTIGATIONS

PC

Edmund Davie Fulton

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Fullon:

For a copy of all reports made since January 1, 1948, as a result of investigations into or surveys of the army works services, the Royal Canadian Ordnance Corps, and/or the administration of the Department of National Defence by any person or agency outside that department and excluding the Royal Canadian Mounted Police, on which said investigations or surveys public money was spent.

Topic:   NATIONAL DEFENCE ADMINISTRATION- INVESTIGATIONS
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LIB

Ralph Osborne Campney (Associate Minister of National Defence; Solicitor General of Canada)

Liberal

Mr. Campney:

I would ask the hon. member if he would be good enough to allow this motion to stand.

.Mr. Speaker: Stand.

Topic:   NATIONAL DEFENCE ADMINISTRATION- INVESTIGATIONS
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PUBLIC SERVICE SUPERANNUATION ACT

PROVISION FOR PRESENT AND FUTURE PAYMENT OF ANNUITIES AND OTHER BENEFITS

March 9, 1953