March 6, 1953

LIB

Elie Beauregard (Speaker of the Senate)

Liberal

Mr. Speaker:

I was not in the chair at the time, but probably there was not general consent.

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John Sylvester Aloysius Sinnott

Liberal

Mr. Sinnotl:

One man.

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Elie Beauregard (Speaker of the Senate)

Liberal

Mr. Speaker:

With the approval of the house I could make a practice, starting today, that one member of the house cannot prevent a table being included in Hansard if there is general approval for doing so.

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Douglas Charles Abbott (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. Abbott:

With the greatest deference to your ruling, does the rule not require unanimous consent?

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William Joseph Browne

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Browne (St. John's West):

While we are on this point may I make an observation? A few moments ago I believe the Minister of Finance laid down the right principle when he said that if the hon. gentleman has prepared the table himself, and vouches for it, then it should go into Hansard.

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Douglas Charles Abbott (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. Abbott:

No; I said I had personally no objection to its going into Hansard.

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William Joseph Browne

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Browne (St. John's West):

Is that not a principle?

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LIB

Douglas Charles Abbott (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. Abbott:

I think the rule does require unanimous consent.

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Some hon. Members:

No.

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LIB

Elie Beauregard (Speaker of the Senate)

Liberal

Mr. Speaker:

The rule does require

unanimous consent, but it has occurred to me that when one member only objects to placing a table in Hansard and all the other hon. members want the table included, the one member-

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LIB

Douglas Charles Abbott (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. Abbott:

Why not two, Mr. Speaker?

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LIB

Elie Beauregard (Speaker of the Senate)

Liberal

Mr. Speaker:

-'should not prevent the others from having the table included.

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Some hon. Members:

No.

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LIB

Elie Beauregard (Speaker of the Senate)

Liberal

Mr. Speaker:

Well, I can see that the

suggestion of general consent does not meet with the approval of the house at this time. I may suggest it on another occasion. It occurred to me that by the strict enforcement of this rule one member could thwart the wishes of 260 other members. However, in accordance with the wishes of the house, I shall enforce the rule strictly.

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CCF

Hazen Robert Argue

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. Argue:

Mr. Speaker, I thank you

very much for the consideration you have given to my request. Since one member, at any rate, objects to the table being printed in Hansard I certainly-

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Some hon. Members:

No.

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Hazen Robert Argue

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. Argue:

-take no exception to that. That is the right of any hon. member. But the table does show the income tax that has been collected from farmers in the year 1950, the last year for which the statistics are available, in each of the various provinces.

I have noticed that the matter of collection of farm income tax has been given some considerable attention in this debate already. The hon. member for Red Deer (Mr. Shaw) referred to teams of assessors in the province of Alberta that went around and used very questionable methods, rather strong arm methods was the statement made by the hon. member for Red Deer. The hon. member for Moose Mountain (Mr. Smith), a member on the government side of the house, made a very revealing speech in parliament the other day. He spoke of government income tax inspectors as hounds, going around hounding the farmers in that part of Saskatchewan. Then he related an incident that took place in the income tax office in the city of Winnipeg where a certain farmer was put through almost torture methods; the hon. member for Annapolis-Kings (Mr. MARCH 6, 1953

Nowlan) referred to the way in which income tax was being collected in the province of Nova Scotia and said that the farmers there had been put through the wringer. Therefore there has been considerable criticism of the method that has been used by income tax officials in the collecting of farm income tax.

I am not anxious to deal with that aspect this afternoon, but I think the results, as shown by this table, will indicate that what the hon. member for Moose Mountain has said in that regard must be correct, and what the hon. member for Red Deer has said must be correct, because certainly in Saskatchewan and Alberta there are efficient collectors of income tax.

In Ontario in 1950 the farmers made an average net income of $3,065, the highest net income earned by farmers in any province in Canada. On that $3,065 there was paid an average income tax of $12.60. In Saskatchewan in 1950 the average farm net income was $2,367, some $700 less than the income of the average farmer in the province of Ontario. The Saskatchewan farmer paid over twice as much in income tax. The Ontario farmer as compared with the Saskatchewan farmer paid only 40 per cent of the amount in income tax. The Saskatchewan farmer paid, on the average, $30.95, while the farmer in Ontario paid $12.60. Then let us look at Quebec. The Quebec farmer in 1950 made an average net income of $1,876. The British Columbia farmer did not do quite so well in that year, having an average net income of $1,598, or almost $300 less than the Quebec farmer. Well, the British Columbia farmer with his average net income of nearly $1,600 paid more than $26 in income tax. The Quebec farmer, with $300 more net income than the British Columbia farmer paid, on an average, 37 cents income tax.

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Douglas Charles Abbott (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. Abbott:

Not so many bachelors in Quebec.

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CCF

Hazen Robert Argue

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. Argue:

Oh, the minister means the size of families? I will come to that. I have here another column showing the size of families. But I do not imagine the minister thinks that families in Quebec are 72 times larger than families in British Columbia, does he? Because I would point out to him that there was 72 times as much collected from British Columbia farmers in income tax in 1950, despite the fact that on the average British Columbia farmers earned $300 a year less in net income than did the farmers of Quebec.

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LIB

Douglas Charles Abbott (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. Abbolt:

I do not trust my hon. friend's figures; that is the trouble.

The Budget-Mr. Argue

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March 6, 1953