March 6, 1953

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An hon. Member:

We have paid off our debt, too.

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William Duncan McKay Wylie

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Mr. Wylie:

You have paid off your debt? You certainly have not. You should know better than that. My hon. friends know just as well as I do, at least they should know, that the dominion government has not paid off its debt.

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An hon. Member:

Just two billions.

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William Duncan McKay Wylie

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Mr. Wylie:

They may have paid off a small part of it, but when you read the speech by the hon. member for Peace River (Mr. Low), the leader of this party, you will see what the Liberal government has done.

2714 HOUSE OF

The Budget-Mr. Wylie

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An hon. Member:

Fabrication.

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William Duncan McKay Wylie

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Mr. Wylie:

That is right, it was just fabrication. My hon. friends across the way do not believe in what they are saying. The oil discoveries in Alberta have meant a lot, not only to Alberta but to Canada as a whole.

While there have been many oil discoveries we should not forget that there is a lot of coal in that area. Alberta has 92 per cent of the coal in this country. Last Saturday I went to Montreal with the Minister of Mines and Technical Surveys (Mr. Prudham) to see a demonstration of a coal-burning turbine. The hon. member who is interrupting all the time was with me. He is from a coal-mining area. What might happen in a year or two made that trip more than worth while. In the event of war our oil production would be needed for other purposes; and when we can use coal in our diesels-you may not call them diesels but they are just the same-on railroads from one end of this country to the other it is going to mean a lot to the coal-mining industry, not only in Alberta but in British Columbia and Nova Scotia.

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An hon. Member:

Oh, oh.

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William Duncan McKay Wylie

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Mr. Wylie:

If the hon. member who keeps on interrupting had come along with us he would have seen that the department is doing something worth while in developing the use of coal instead of oil.

Coming back to oil and to the speech made by the hon. member for Athabaska, he knows what has been done by Imperial Oil Limited and other companies which have invested money in the development of Alberta which,

I repeat, also helps the Dominion of Canada. Imperial Oil has spent millions of dollars in Alberta. I know someone will criticize them for making the profits they do, but I must say that every Saturday night they give us a broadcast of a hockey game by Foster Hewitt.

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An hon. Member:

Very important.

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William Duncan McKay Wylie

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Mr. Wylie:

It is very important. Apparently one of the C.C.F. members, the hon. member for Saskatoon (Mr. Knight), does not like hockey; but I do. We must not forget that there are many old people who just wait for Saturday night to listen to the hockey broadcast by Foster Hewitt.

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Robert Ross (Roy) Knight

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Mr. Knight:

Mr. Speaker, on a question of privilege, I think the hon. member is putting words in my mouth. I am very fond of hockey, and we have a fine hockey team in Saskatoon. I do not think the hon. member should say that.

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William Duncan McKay Wylie

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Mr. Wylie:

I overheard what the hon. member said and I would just as soon that

he did not agree with what I am saying. That is his privilege, but it was loud enough for me to hear it. That is why I said that. There is one thing more I want to say about Imperial Oil and Imperial Esso; and I am not advertising Imperial Esso. They do bring Foster Hewitt into our homes in western Canada every Saturday night. It is something to which we do look forward. It is one of the best broadcasts we have on the air. I might say that I know some of the old people who listen to those broadcasts and they can mention every hockey player on the Toronto Maple Leaf team.

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An hon. Member:

Have you heard about Eentley?

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William Duncan McKay Wylie

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Mr. Wylie:

Lots of these old people can tell you about the Toronto Maple Leafs.

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An hon. Member:

Try to get along, fellows.

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March 6, 1953