March 6, 1953

CROWN CORPORATIONS

INQUIRY AS TO ORDERS IN COUNCIL RESPECTING SALARIES OF OFFICALS


On the orders of the day:


LIB

Louis Stephen St-Laurent (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council)

Liberal

Right Hon. L. S. St. Laurent (Prime Minister):

On Monday last the hon. member for Lake Centre (Mr. Diefenbaker) asked me whether orders in council had been passed in connection with salaries of the governor or deputy governor of the Bank of Canada, of the chairman of the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation and the president and vicepresident of the Canadian National Railways. I had been having the information looked up and copies prepared when I noticed in Votes and Proceedings of yesterday a notice of motion which the hon. member intended for next Monday asking for production of those orders in council. As it will not be possible for me to be in the house then, perhaps he would not mind if I anticipated the motion and tabled the orders in council at this time.

Orders in council have been passed since January 1, 1951, in the case of the president of the Canadian National Railways, the governor and deputy governor of the Bank of Canada, and the chairman of the board of governors of the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation.

The vice-presidents of the Canadian National Railways, the president of Eldorado Mining and Refining Limited, and the president of Polymer Corporation are not appointed or confirmed by the governor in council. All relevant orders in council have been listed in the summaries of orders in council which I lay on the table from time to time as a result of the request of the hon. member for Lake Centre, except the latest order which was passed on February 12 last and which is included in the summary for February, 1953, that I have just tabled.

There were three orders relating to the present president of the Canadian National Railways, listed in the summaries as follows:

1. Appointment-Donald Gordon as president, member and chairman of board of directors, Canadian National Railways. (Summary tabled November 30, 1949).

2. Railways, Canadian National-Appointment, Donald Gordon, as director and chairman of board of directors-terms amended. (Summary tabled December 9, 1949.)

3. Reappointment Donald Gordon as director and chairman of board of directors, Canadian National Railway Company. (Summary tabled October 9, 1951.)

The order relating to the chairman of the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation was listed in the summary tabled November 20, 1952, as follows:

Salary increase A. Davidson Dunton, Canadian Broadcasting Corporation.

The order relating to chairman and assistant chief commissioner of the Canadian wheat board was listed in the summary tabled August 30, 1950, as follows:

Increases in salaries of members of Canadian wheat board.

The house was informed of the salary of the president of the Canadian National Railways in answer to a question by the hon. member for Victoria, Ont.

see Hansard, page 1131, March 27, 1950.

As hon. members have been informed on many occasions, orders in council of a regulatory nature and orders imposing a penalty are tabled in accordance with the terms of the Regulations Act, but it is not and never has been the custom to table purely administrative orders unless there is some special reason for doing so, or some request; but they are listed in the summary.

I am tabling the orders which are now in effect relating to the positions referred to in the hon. gentleman's notice of motion.

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John George Diefenbaker

Progressive Conservative

Mr. J. G. Diefenbaker (Lake Cenire):

I

might ask the Prime Minister (Mr. St. Laurent) whether in so far as crown corporations are concerned, other than the Canadian National Railways and the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation, the salaries of officials of those corporations are known to the government or are required to be confirmed by the government.

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LIB

Louis Stephen St-Laurent (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council)

Liberal

Mr. St. Laurent:

Companies which come

under the Government Companies Operation Act, chapter 24 of the statutes of Canada for 1946, are governed by the following provisions:

(1) Every company may, notwithstanding the Civil Service Act or any other statute or law, employ such officers or servants as it deems necessary to conduct its operations and may determine

Crown Corporations

their conditions of employment and their remuneration which shall be paid by the company.

(2) Every company has the control and supervision of the officers and servants employed by the company.

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John George Diefenbaker

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Diefenbaker:

I possibly did not follow the Prime Minister as closely as I should have. My question is simple, and put in simple form it is this. Are crown corporations in a position where they may determine any salary that they decide to pay these officials, and in no way be subject to government or to parliament? Does the government know what these officials receive? Is there any approval or have these companies got carte blanche in determining what their officials shall receive?

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Jean-Paul Stephen St-Laurent

Mr. Sf. Laurent:

The boards are appointed by the government, and if they do anything that the government feels that they should not do, then the government is in the position of a body of shareholders in a company and can replace the board; that is the effective way in which control can be exercised.

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George Alexander Drew (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Drew:

Then, in response to that, I would take it that the government is aware of the salaries that are paid, and would be able to express an opinion as to the nature of the salaries?

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LIB

Louis Stephen St-Laurent (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council)

Liberal

Mr. St. Laurent:

Well, I would not want to assert that I know at the present time what the salaries are. I do not. But there are reports that are prepared from time to time by these crown companies, and they are required to disclose to the government, as representing the Canadian people who are the shareholders, the way in which they are discharging responsibilities with which they are charged by their appointment as directors.

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George Alexander Drew (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Drew:

Mr. Speaker, surely there is

one simple question. Does the government, in respect of the supervision which is exercised in this way, know the salaries, or is it able to know the salaries that are decided upon by those who are operating these companies?

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LIB

Clarence Decatur Howe (Minister of Defence Production; Minister of Trade and Commerce)

Liberal

Right Hon. C. D. Howe (Minister of Trade and Commerce):

As the minister responsible for several crown companies, I may say that the budget of the crown companies is submitted to the government, and has to obtain the approval of the Minister of Finance (Mr. Abbott) and the minister responsible for that particular operation.

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George Alexander Drew (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Drew:

Mr. Speaker, this is quite a

simple thing that can be answered in a simple way. Does that budget include the exact salaries paid officials of that company when it is submitted to the government?

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LIB

Clarence Decatur Howe (Minister of Defence Production; Minister of Trade and Commerce)

Liberal

Mr. Howe:

Yes.

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POST OFFICE

SPECIAL STAMP ISSUE TO COMMEMORATE CORONATION


On the orders of the day:


LIB

George Taylor Fulford

Liberal

Mr. G. T. Fulford (Leeds):

I should like to direct a question to the Postmaster General. Does the Post Office Department contemplate issuing a special stamp or series of stamps commemorating the coronation of Her Most Gracious Majesty, Queen Elizabeth II?

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Hon. Alcide Cole@Postmaster General

The

answer is yes. A specially designed four-cent stamp will be issued to commemorate the coronation of Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II, and it will be offered for sale on June 1, 1953.

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George Randolph Pearkes

Progressive Conservative

Mr. G. R. Pearkes (Nanaimo):

May I ask

the Postmaster General a supplementary question? What will be the design of the special coronation stamp which has just been announced?

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March 6, 1953