May 7, 1952

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Lionel Chevrier (Minister of Transport)

Liberal

Mr. Chevrier:

The government is making a loan of $1,250,000 for that very purpose. It is the desire and intention of the harbour commissioners of New Westminster to build dockage facilities upon land which they will get from the city; and this amount is for that purpose.

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Howard Charles Green

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Green:

There is not to be an outright contribution from the government?

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Lionel Chevrier (Minister of Transport)

Liberal

Mr. Chevrier:

No, there is not.

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Howard Charles Green

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Green:

I am wondering about that,

because in many cases the government actually builds docks. I wonder why in this case there is no contribution by the government.

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Lionel Chevrier (Minister of Transport)

Liberal

Mr. Chevrier:

This is an entirely different case. The government builds docks in its national harbours-

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Howard Charles Green

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Green:

And in other harbours as well.

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Lionel Chevrier (Minister of Transport)

Liberal

Mr. Chevrier:

No, the government does

not build docks in other harbours, except through the Department of Public Works. I am talking now of the jurisdiction of the Department of Transport. The harbours that are under our jurisdiction have been built in part, and I would think for the most part- I think now of Toronto, for instance-by the funds and revenues obtained from the commission itself. This is certainly the case here. The government has been of great assistance to the harbour of New Westminster from the point of view of public works and other facilities with which I am not fully familiar at this time. I do not think that the government has neglected this harbour in any sense of the word.

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Howard Charles Green

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Green:

What about the extension of the boundaries? I understood the minister to say that the boundary would be extended right up the Pitt river to Pitt lake. As I read the act which is now in force, the jurisdiction only goes to the mouth of the Pitt river. I may be wrong in that.

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Lionel Chevrier (Minister of Transport)

Liberal

Mr. Chevrier:

At the moment the jurisdiction goes to the east end of Douglas island, which is at the mouth of the Pitt river, and it is proposed under this bill to extend the jurisdiction northeastward along the Pitt river to Grant Narrows, and eastward along the Fraser to a point that I mentioned earlier which is in the vicinity of Fort Langley.

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Howard Charles Green

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Green:

What are the respective

distances?

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Lionel Chevrier (Minister of Transport)

Liberal

Mr. Chevrier:

I would have to guess at that from looking at the map. This is not a scale map, but I would think the jurisdiction is about half of that which the harbour already has.

New Westminster Harbour Commission

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Howard Charles Green

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Green:

Have there been any representations made by municipal councils in this area to which the jurisdiction is being extended?

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Lionel Chevrier (Minister of Transport)

Liberal

Mr. Chevrier:

No, there have not.

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George Randolph Pearkes

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Pearkes:

One may expect a reasonable development and expansion of the port as a result of this jurisdiction, but one of the limiting factors in the expansion of not only the port of New Westminster but other ports in British Columbia has been the lack of suitable dredges to keep the channels and the approaches to the ports open. Is any provision being made for an increase in the number of dredges that can be made available in British Columbia?

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Lionel Chevrier (Minister of Transport)

Liberal

Mr. Chevrier:

Not under this legislation, but as my hon. friend knows that is a matter for the Minister of Public Works and I understand that provision is being made in his estimates for certain dredges.

Resolution reported, read the second time and concurred in.

Mr. Chevrier thereupon moved for leave to introduce Bill No. 193, respecting the New Westminster harbour commissioners.

Motion agreed to and bill read the first time.

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Louis-René Beaudoin (Deputy Speaker and Chair of Committees of the Whole of the House of Commons)

Liberal

Mr. Deputy Speaker:

When shall this bill be read a second time.

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Lionel Chevrier (Minister of Transport)

Liberal

Mr. Chevrier:

I was wondering if the house would consent to the second reading of the bill now, and I shall give my reason for that request. If there is any objection, I shall withdraw it. The reason is that the railway bill has been referred to the committee on railways, canals and telegraph lines. This bill will also be referred to that committee, and I understand that it is the intention of the chairman of the New Westminster harbour commission and one other member to be here next week. As the house knows, Thursday and Friday have been set aside for the budget resolutions, so it will be impossible to consider this measure on those days. It is a simple bill that can be broken down into two parts, one having to do with the extension of the boundaries and the other concerning the loan of $1,250,000. There will be an opportunity for discussion when the measure comes back from the committee. If the house were willing to give it second reading and refer it to the committee, I think it would be very helpful.

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Howard Charles Green

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Green:

I am very sorry, but we have a duty here at least to look at these bills before they are passed. We have not got the bill, and there has been no opportunity to study it. We cannot agree to give any bill second reading without seeing it. This bill can be brought on for second reading on Monday.

Aeronautics Act

I do not think there will be any difficulty in getting it passed in short order, so that there will be no inconvenience whatever to the chairman of the New Westminster harbour commission.

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Louis-René Beaudoin (Deputy Speaker and Chair of Committees of the Whole of the House of Commons)

Liberal

Mr. Deputy Speaker:

When shall this bill be read a second time? Next sitting of the house.

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AERONAUTICS ACT

May 7, 1952