May 7, 1952

PC

Howard Charles Green

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Green:

Is the minister sure about that? Does this bill impose restrictions on aircraft?

Topic:   AERONAUTICS ACT
Subtopic:   AMENDMENT TO PROVIDE FOR ZONING OF AIRPORTS
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LIB

Lionel Chevrier (Minister of Transport)

Liberal

Mr. Chevrier:

I misunderstood my hon. friend. This bill does not affect aircraft.

Topic:   AERONAUTICS ACT
Subtopic:   AMENDMENT TO PROVIDE FOR ZONING OF AIRPORTS
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PC

Howard Charles Green

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Green:

Has any study been given to the situation at the Vancouver airport?

Topic:   AERONAUTICS ACT
Subtopic:   AMENDMENT TO PROVIDE FOR ZONING OF AIRPORTS
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LIB

Lionel Chevrier (Minister of Transport)

Liberal

Mr. Chevrier:

Yes, there has.

Topic:   AERONAUTICS ACT
Subtopic:   AMENDMENT TO PROVIDE FOR ZONING OF AIRPORTS
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PC

Howard Charles Green

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Green:

Will it affect any structures which are already up?

Topic:   AERONAUTICS ACT
Subtopic:   AMENDMENT TO PROVIDE FOR ZONING OF AIRPORTS
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LIB

Lionel Chevrier (Minister of Transport)

Liberal

Mr. Chevrier:

I am not able to say.

Topic:   AERONAUTICS ACT
Subtopic:   AMENDMENT TO PROVIDE FOR ZONING OF AIRPORTS
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PC

Howard Charles Green

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Green:

Is that airport being taken over by the dominion government?

Topic:   AERONAUTICS ACT
Subtopic:   AMENDMENT TO PROVIDE FOR ZONING OF AIRPORTS
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LIB

Lionel Chevrier (Minister of Transport)

Liberal

Mr. Chevrier:

The status quo remains. My hon. friend is familiar with the position. I have not received any further representations from the city which knows the position of the department.

Topic:   AERONAUTICS ACT
Subtopic:   AMENDMENT TO PROVIDE FOR ZONING OF AIRPORTS
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PC

Howard Charles Green

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Green:

What is that position?

Topic:   AERONAUTICS ACT
Subtopic:   AMENDMENT TO PROVIDE FOR ZONING OF AIRPORTS
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LIB

Lionel Chevrier (Minister of Transport)

Liberal

Mr. Chevrier:

I do not think this is the place to discuss it.

Resolution reported, read the second time and concurred in.

Mr. Chevrier thereupon moved for leave to introduce Bill No. 194, to amend the Aeronautics Act.

Motion agreed to and bill read the first time.

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Subtopic:   AMENDMENT TO PROVIDE FOR ZONING OF AIRPORTS
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CANADIAN NATIONAL RAILWAYS

APPOINTMENT OF GEORGE A. TOUCHE AND COMPANY AS AUDITORS

LIB

James Joseph McCann (Minister of National Revenue)

Liberal

Hon. J. J. McCann (for ihe Minisier of Transport) moved

the second reading of Bill No. 9, respecting the appointment of auditors for national railways.

Topic:   CANADIAN NATIONAL RAILWAYS
Subtopic:   APPOINTMENT OF GEORGE A. TOUCHE AND COMPANY AS AUDITORS
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PC

Howard Charles Green

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Howard C. Green (Vancouver-Quadra):

I believe this bill is in exactly the same phraseology as bills which have been passed in preceding years. If there is no change, we have no objection.

Topic:   CANADIAN NATIONAL RAILWAYS
Subtopic:   APPOINTMENT OF GEORGE A. TOUCHE AND COMPANY AS AUDITORS
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William Moore Benidickson (Parliamentary Assistant to the Minister of Transport)

Liberal Labour

Mr. W. M. Benidickson (Parliamentary Assistant to ihe Minister of Transport):

I thank the hon. member for Vancouver-Quadra (Mr. Green). There is no change and the remuneration has been consistent for a few years. I think members of the house are pretty familiar with the measures that are involved.

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CCF

Stanley Howard Knowles (Whip of the Co-operative Commonwealth Federation)

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. Stanley Knowles (Winnipeg North Centre):

Mr. Speaker, as the parliamentary assistant and the ministers present know, it has been our view in this group for some time that it would be preferable to have the audit of the accounts of the Canadian National Railways done by the Auditor General of Canada. That is not to suggest that there is anything inadequate about the work done by the firm of George A. Touche and Company which the government has nominated for this job from time to time for quite a few years now, but we feel it would be more appropriate to have this work done by the person, together with his staff, who is the direct appointee and direct servant of the parliament of Canada.

I recognize that it would require additions to the staff of the Auditor General for him to take on this heavy work, but there is no doubt that that could be done. We are conscious of the fact that the reports which the Auditor General makes to parliament on the public accounts of the country are set up in a little different form from auditors' reports prepared by private firms such as George A. Touche and Company, either for Canadian National Railways or for any other business which they may be auditing. That seems to follow from the very nature of the case. We would expect that the only interest such a firm of auditors has is in determining whether the accounts are correct. I think the parliamentary assistant will bear me out that the printed report emanating from this firm of accountants which is laid before parliament is merely a statement that they have examined the accounts of Canadian National Railways and the various subsidiaries and have found that everything is in order. We have no doubt of that, but on the other hand I would point out that when the Auditor General reports to parliament on the public accounts he seems to go at matters in a slightly different way. I confess I am not a professional accountant, and there may be points that can be raised in connection with this matter, but it seems to me it would be more useful to parliament to have, so far as the Canadian National Railways is concerned, statements such as those that are given to us by the Auditor General with respect to the public accounts.

As the house knows, this suggestion has been made to the government on quite a number of occasions. If I may say so I think the best and most exhaustive speech in support of this proposal, the one revealing the greatest amount of research on the matter, was made some years ago by the hon. member for Coast-Capilano (Mr. Sinclair) who is now parliamentary assistant to the Minister of Finance. He urged most strongly in a very exhaustive speech some years ago that this change should be made. We have proposed it in the form of an amendment to the second reading of similar bills on a number of occasions. In view of the large number of members who are out of the house today attending important committees, the suggestion of moving an amendment at this stage would of course hardly seem appropriate. However, I again make the suggestion that the government should give further consideration to the idea of having the auditing of the accounts of Canadian National Railways done not by an outside private firm nominated by the government but by the

Canadian National Railways-Auditors Auditor General of Canada who is appointed by and is a servant of the parliament of this country.

Topic:   CANADIAN NATIONAL RAILWAYS
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Motion agreed to, bill read the second time and the house went into committee thereon, Mr. Beaudoin in the chair. On section 1-Auditors.


CCF

Stanley Howard Knowles (Whip of the Co-operative Commonwealth Federation)

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. Knowles:

May I ask the parliamentary assistant to tell us whether any further consideration has been given by the government to the suggestion that I have just repeated?

Topic:   CANADIAN NATIONAL RAILWAYS
Subtopic:   APPOINTMENT OF GEORGE A. TOUCHE AND COMPANY AS AUDITORS
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William Moore Benidickson (Parliamentary Assistant to the Minister of Transport)

Liberal Labour

Mr. Benidickson:

The suggestion that the hon. member for Winnipeg North Centre has made is one that is under constant consideration. However, I am informed that the chief competitive railway organization in this country maintains an audit by the same accounting organization. I am informed that is the consistent practice among United States railways south of the border. We have heard the suggestion that the hon. member has made in other sessions. The affairs of a railway of this size are very intricate. There are, as you know, a number of subordinate corporations and the audit involves an audit of inter-corporate associations. With all deference to what the hon. member has said, we have felt that there is more to be said for a continuous audit by a firm familiar with all the relationships of the organization rather than to change at this time.

Topic:   CANADIAN NATIONAL RAILWAYS
Subtopic:   APPOINTMENT OF GEORGE A. TOUCHE AND COMPANY AS AUDITORS
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Section agreed to. Preamble agreed to. Title agreed to. Bill reported.


May 7, 1952