May 2, 1952

ANIMAL CONTAGIOUS DISEASES

SASKATCHEWAN-TABLING OF CORRESPONDENCE AND OTHER DOCUMENTS

LIB

James Garfield Gardiner (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Right Hon. J. G. Gardiner (Minister of Agriculture):

I should like to refer to the question of privilege that was raised by the hon. member for Lake Centre (Mr. Diefen-baker). I do not think it is necessary for me to read what appears in yesterday's Hansard, other than the significant remarks which were made. I stated:

I understand that the matter referred to by the hon. member was discussed in the committee this morning, and my hon. friend wishes to have the documents which were tabled in the committee tabled here as well. That will be done.

After that statement was made the member for Lake Centre said this:

There are still some, other than those tabled in the committee. There are still the certificates of analyses that were ordered to be tabled here, and they have not been tabled in the committee as yet, nor have they been tabled here. The place where those documents were to be tabled was the House of Commons, and I am asking now particularly for these certificates of analyses, none of which was included in the return tabled.

I have in my hand sessional paper No. 169-F, Tuesday, April 29, 1952, and in it is listed the documents which were tabled. Among the documents tabled is the Department of Agriculture production, "Certificates, health of animals division, specimen record for inspectors, identification numbers 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, and 9; disease suspected, infectious stomatitis; owner of animals"-and so on. This is the statement of analysis, and it is here.

After we went back to the committee yesterday afternoon, the certificate was found to be on the record already, both as tabled in the house and as tabled in the committee. I wish to draw to the attention of the house the fact that there was no effort made to withhold this from either the house or the committee. It was on the record yesterday when these statements were made, and is still there.

With regard to the other documents which were tabled in the committee but which were not here, I have them on my desk. There is this large sheet and this larger file, which I thought had everything in it and I still think has everything in it called for by the order

placed on the Orders of the Day on March 3. I have added to it this small file about which there is some question as to whether it was required by any order. Nevertheless it is here and was tabled in the committee. I should like to lay it on the table now.

The suggestion was made that there are some other documents. I have had all the records checked for any documents that by any stretch of the imagination could be said to have anything to do with the intention of the order. There are some communications here which have to do with the effect of the quarantine on grain, and things of that kind which were not thought to be included in the records asked for and which may mean something or may not mean very much so far as the desires of the hon. member and others may be concerned.

Then there are the records with regard to following the man who was employed by Mr. Waas; this was done under special investigation. They were on files separate from the others and they are here as well. I am going to put those on the table. Whether or not they have any bearing on the request can be decided.

I could find only one other communication of any kind which might have reference to the matter and which some of the opposition members might desire to have. It is a communication from Mr. Taggart to Dr. Childs when he was at Regina, asking him to come back to Ottawa on February 20, the day on which it was finally decided in the minds of everyone here that the malady could be foot-and-mouth disease. That document is one which was wired, from Mr. Taggart to Dr. Childs, to Regina; and when he came back he had the wire, of course. This is the wire and I hereby table it.

That is everything that I know of, and everything that anyone in the department believes could be required by the order. It is all here and will be put before the committee.

Topic:   ANIMAL CONTAGIOUS DISEASES
Subtopic:   SASKATCHEWAN-TABLING OF CORRESPONDENCE AND OTHER DOCUMENTS
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CCF

Major James William Coldwell

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. Coldwell:

May I ask the minister a question? Is the report on Willi Bruntjen, the German immigrant, a mounted police report?

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LIB

James Garfield Gardiner (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. Gardiner:

No, it is not a mounted police report, although there are some things on it that refer to mounted policemen. It is the report of the following of the immigrant employee of Mr. Waas. I hope I am not

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Inquiries of the Ministry tabling something which it has already been decided by the house is privileged because it is a mounted police document. I do not think I am, however.

Topic:   ANIMAL CONTAGIOUS DISEASES
Subtopic:   SASKATCHEWAN-TABLING OF CORRESPONDENCE AND OTHER DOCUMENTS
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DIPLOMATIC INSTRUMENTS

TABLING OF EXCHANGES OF NOTES

LIB

Jean Lesage (Parliamentary Assistant to the Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. Jean Lesage (Parliamentary Assistant to the Secretary of State for External Affairs):

Mr. Speaker, on behalf of the Secretary of State for External Affairs (Mr. Pearson) I beg leave to table copies, in English and in French, of the following diplomatic instruments:

1. Exchange of notes, March 16, 1951, amending paragraph 4 of the annex to the Australia-Canada air transport agreement of June 11, 1946.

2. Exchange of notes (November 26, 1951) between Canada and South Africa constituting an agreement concerning the avoidance of double taxation on income derived from the operation of ships and aircraft.

3. Exchange of notes (February 13 and March 19, 1952) confirming the recommendation of March 1950, made by the permanent joint board on defence concerning bases in Newfoundland leased to the United States.

4. Exchange of notes (January 22 and March 22, 1952) between Canada and Monaco concluding a non-immigrant visa modification agreement between the two countries.

Topic:   DIPLOMATIC INSTRUMENTS
Subtopic:   TABLING OF EXCHANGES OF NOTES
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IRRIGATION

SOUTH SASKATCHEWAN RIVER


On the orders of the day:


LIB

Louis Stephen St-Laurent (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council)

Liberal

Right Hon. L. S. St. Laurent (Prime Minister):

Mr. Speaker, yesterday the hon. member for Lake Centre (Mr. Diefenbaker) asked a question, part of which is in the following terms:

Is the Prime Minister in a position to advise regarding the commencement of the sittings of the commission on the South Saskatchewan river project, and also whether sittings will be held in Saskatchewan as it has been determined will take place in Manitoba and Alberta?

I take it that by "sittings" the hon. member meant public hearings.

Topic:   IRRIGATION
Subtopic:   SOUTH SASKATCHEWAN RIVER
Sub-subtopic:   SITTINGS OF COMMISSION IN SASKATCHEWAN
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PC

John George Diefenbaker

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Diefenbaker:

Yes; that is what I meant.

Topic:   IRRIGATION
Subtopic:   SOUTH SASKATCHEWAN RIVER
Sub-subtopic:   SITTINGS OF COMMISSION IN SASKATCHEWAN
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Mr. Si. Laureni@

I have now received from the secretary of the royal commission the following information. Public hearings are being held in Lethbridge today, May 2, and if not completed will continue tomorrow, May 3. The commission is meeting with the Manitoba government on May 9 for the purpose of discussing a submission which that government might wish to make, and also

to discuss the question whether it would be desirable to have public hearings in Manitoba.

The Saskatchewan government has filed an interim submission with the royal commission but has reserved the right to submit more material later. The intention is that arrangements will be made for this further information to be presented at a later date, and that the question whether or not there should then be public hearings in Saskatchewan will be considered between the commission and the Saskatchewan government or others who may wish to appear.

Topic:   IRRIGATION
Subtopic:   SOUTH SASKATCHEWAN RIVER
Sub-subtopic:   SITTINGS OF COMMISSION IN SASKATCHEWAN
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PC

John George Diefenbaker

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Diefenbaker:

I want to thank the Prime Minister and to suggest this. If there are not to be private sittings in Saskatchewan, various municipal bodies and civic bodies want to make representations and they should know that they can make them direct to the commission.

Topic:   IRRIGATION
Subtopic:   SOUTH SASKATCHEWAN RIVER
Sub-subtopic:   SITTINGS OF COMMISSION IN SASKATCHEWAN
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LIB

Louis Stephen St-Laurent (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council)

Liberal

Mr. St. Laurent:

I am sure that this statement which the hon. member has made in the house will get publicity and will serve as notice to those who may wish to make submissions that they can do so, and that it is perhaps rather urgent that they do not take too much time about it because we are all anxious to have the proceedings completed and to get a report as soon as possible.

Topic:   IRRIGATION
Subtopic:   SOUTH SASKATCHEWAN RIVER
Sub-subtopic:   SITTINGS OF COMMISSION IN SASKATCHEWAN
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PC

John George Diefenbaker

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Diefenbaker:

That is right.

Topic:   IRRIGATION
Subtopic:   SOUTH SASKATCHEWAN RIVER
Sub-subtopic:   SITTINGS OF COMMISSION IN SASKATCHEWAN
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CCF

Major James William Coldwell

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. Coldwell:

Is it not a fact that it has already been decided that there would be public hearings in Saskatchewan? My understanding-and I got it from one of the members of the government-is that there would be public hearings. [DOT]

Topic:   IRRIGATION
Subtopic:   SOUTH SASKATCHEWAN RIVER
Sub-subtopic:   SITTINGS OF COMMISSION IN SASKATCHEWAN
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LIB

Louis Stephen St-Laurent (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council)

Liberal

Mr. St. Laurent:

The information I get is that the commission is desirous of getting all the information that may be helpful, but does not want to take more time than is required to reach a proper decision.

Topic:   IRRIGATION
Subtopic:   SOUTH SASKATCHEWAN RIVER
Sub-subtopic:   SITTINGS OF COMMISSION IN SASKATCHEWAN
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LIVESTOCK

May 2, 1952