April 4, 1952

LIB

George Matheson Murray

Liberal

Mr. Murray (Cariboo):

I object to the word "Scotch" being used in that connection.

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Stanley Howard Knowles (Whip of the Co-operative Commonwealth Federation)

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. Knowles:

I can only quote from the evidence, at the middle of page 11:

Q. Was the Scotch tape still in place?

A. It had not been touched.

This is the modern type of investigation, done with Scotch tape instead of match sticks. This is an unhappy case; the couple had not been living together for quite a time. For the reasons set out in the evidence the Senate has agreed to the divorce, and I must confess that they had no alternative. While I am on my feet I should like to say just a word in reply-

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LIB

Elie Beauregard (Speaker of the Senate)

Liberal

Mr. Speaker:

Order. I think the debate on the question of procedure on the previous bill was not strictly in order. I permitted it at that time, but I doubt if we should continue that debate now.

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CCF

Stanley Howard Knowles (Whip of the Co-operative Commonwealth Federation)

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. Knowles:

Then I would like to say with respect to this bill that it is a private bill and therefore subject to the provisions of citation 769 in Beauchesne's third edition, which says that agreement to the second reading of a private bill is a conditional agreement, subject to proof being produced in the committee. Then the citation goes on to say:

Where, irrespective of such facts, the principle is objectionable, the house will not consent to the second reading . . .

Further on the citation says:

This is the first occasion on which the bill is before the house otherwise than pro forma or in connection with the standing orders; and if the bill be opposed, upon its principle, it is the proper time for attempting its defeat.

I do not wish to attempt the defeat of this biU.

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An hon. Member:

Why not?

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Stanley Howard Knowles (Whip of the Co-operative Commonwealth Federation)

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. Knowles:

Because I have looked over the evidence and think it is one that can be granted. But I believe the point needs to be made and repeated, for the benefit of the hon. member for Skeena (Mr. Applewhaite) and others, that if an hon. member is opposed to the principle of one of these bills the time to express that opposition is on second reading.

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LIB

Elie Beauregard (Speaker of the Senate)

Liberal

Mr. Speaker:

Is it the pleasure of the house to adopt the motion for second reading?

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Some hon. Members:

No.

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LIB
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Some hon. Members:

No.

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LIB

Elie Beauregard (Speaker of the Senate)

Liberal

Mr. Speaker:

Those in favour will say yea.

Private Bills-Divorce

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Some hon. Members:

Yea.

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LIB
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Some hon. Members:

Nay.

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LIB
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Some hon. Members:

On division.

Motion agreed to on division, bill read the second time and referred to the standing committee on miscellaneous private bills.

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EDNA GIBSON SMITH SCHILLER

LIB

Howard Waldemar Winkler

Liberal

Mr. H. W. Winkler (Lisgar) moved

the second reading of Bill No. 31, for the relief of Edna Gibson Smith Schiller.

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Stanley Howard Knowles (Whip of the Co-operative Commonwealth Federation)

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. Stanley Knowles (Winnipeg North Centre):

This is another of the bills in connection with which the evidence has not been distributed. Therefore, for the reasons we have advanced previously, which were well put by my leader, the hon. member for Rosetown-Biggar (Mr. Coldwell), again tonight, I do not think the house should be asked to proceed with this bill. I could move the motion I have moved on other bills but perhaps hon. members would be satisfied to have you call it nine o'clock.

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Some hon. Members:

No.

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April 4, 1952