December 5, 1951

CCF

Percy Ellis Wright

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. Wright:

It states nothing about who shall take care of the expenses incurred in doing that; and it certainly was not the intention of -the mover of this amendment that those expenses should be charged against the farmers through the wheat board. When the Minister of Trade and Commerce (Mr. Howe) comes back to this house, I hope any legislation he may present to take care of the serious situation which exists in the west will not be along that line, and that it will not make provision for an advance to the farmers on wheat that has not been threshed or that is under the snow in western Canada, which advance will be made by the wheat board, and that any losses which may be incurred as a result of that advance be a charge against the wheat board. If that is the type of legislation he intends to introduce I can assure the government that it will be opposed by those of us on this side of the house.

I know the hon. member for The Battle-fords (Mr. Bater) quite well. He is a practical farmer. When he introduced this subamendment I am sure he would have much preferred to introduce one which would add something to the amendment rather than one which merely expresses a pious hope. I am afraid he was in the unfortunate position where he could not offer any subamendment which would be an addition. The Minister of Trade and Commerce has not yet returned. Until he does, and until he informs the government what the government's policy is going to be with regard to any further advances, the government members find themselves in the position that they cannot offer anything in the way of substantial help to the farmers in western Canada. Apparently this is a one-man government.

We did not bring in this amendment with the idea that it met all the problems this year in western Canada. We introduced this amendment for one purpose, namely to get provision made for an advance on farm stored grain. That is something we in western Canada have been asking for, and which farm organizations have been asking for many years. A vote for the subamendment is a vote against the policy the farmers of western Canada have been asking for over a number of years now. That is the effect of it. It is voting for some pious hope rather than voting for something concrete, something we have been asking for over a number of years, which is quite another matter. When the amendment was introduced I stated that I thought it was good but that to meet the situation which existed this year some additional assistance was necessary. I

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The Address-Mr. Wright recognized the fact that some additional assistance was necessary. Because the Minister of Trade and Commerce had indicated that the government were considering something in the way of further assistance, we did not extend our amendment. As reported at page 1546 of Hansard I stated:

I hope the government will give serious consideration to the amendment moved by the hon. member for Assiniboia. As I said before, I do not think it goes far enough to meet the needs of all sections of the west at this time, but it is a step in the right direction. It is a good piece of permanent legislation which we should have on our statute books.

That is all we were offering, a sound amendment which would instruct the government to place on our statute books legislation which would make it possible for an advance to be made to farmers on grain stored on the farm. I hope western members will oppose the subamendment offered by the hon. member for The Battlefords because, in voting for it, they are voting against the best interests of the farmers in western Canada; they are voting against something for which the farmers in western Canada have been asking consistently over the last number of years, namely an advance on farm stored grain.

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LIB

Louis-René Beaudoin (Deputy Chair of Committees of the Whole)

Liberal

The Acting Speaker (Mr. Beaudoin):

Is the

house ready for the question?

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Some hon. Members:

Question.

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Gordon Graydon

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Graydon:

I was paired with the

Secretary of State for External Affairs (Mr. Pearson). Had I voted I would have voted against the amendment to the amendment.

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James Arthur Ross

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Ross (Souris):

I was paired with the right hon. member for Melville (Mr. Gardiner). Had I voted I would have voted against the amendment to the amendment.

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Edmund Davie Fulton

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Fulion:

I was paired with the hon. member for Yorkton (Mr. Stewart). Had I voted I would have voted against the amendment to the amendment.

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John George Diefenbaker

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Diefenbaker:

Mr. Speaker-

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Elie Beauregard (Speaker of the Senate)

Liberal

Mr. Speaker:

Order. I believe some other members would like to declare their pairs.

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Lewis Elston Cardiff

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Cardiff:

I was paired. Had I voted I would have voted against the amendment to the amendment.

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Harry Oliver White

Progressive Conservative

Mr. While (Middlesex East):

I was paired with the hon. member for Middlesex West (Mr. McCubbin). Had I voted I would have voted against the amendment to the amendment.

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Some hon. Members:

Question.

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John George Diefenbaker

Progressive Conservative

Mr. J. G. Diefenbaker (Lake Cenire):

Mr. Speaker, I rise for the purpose of moving another amendment-

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Some hon. Members:

Oh, oh.

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John George Diefenbaker

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Diefenbaker:

-and it will not have the paradoxical result that followed the amendment of this afternoon moved by the hon. member for The Battlefords (Mr. Bater). I intend to give this house an opportunity to vote disapproval of the excessive, unwarranted and unjustifiable high taxation that today rests upon the Canadian people. I point out, sir, that the predictions of the Minister of Finance (Mr. Abbott) made seven months ago, that the surplus of revenue over expenditure would be $30 million in one year, has been multiplied twenty times or to the extent of $604 million in seven months, more than is needed for the purposes of civil expenditures and defence.

No Canadian worthy of the name-

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CCF

Stanley Howard Knowles (Whip of the Co-operative Commonwealth Federation)

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. Knowles:

May I rise to a point of order. I gather, from what the hon. member for Lake Centre (Mr. Diefenbaker) is saying, that he is going to move another amendment which will deal with taxation. Is it not so that we are not yet back to the main motion?

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John George Diefenbaker

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Diefenbaker:

I understood we were.

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Stanley Howard Knowles (Whip of the Co-operative Commonwealth Federation)

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. Knowles:

We now have before us the amendment as amended, on which the vote has not yet been taken.

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An hon. Member:

That is right.

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CCF

Stanley Howard Knowles (Whip of the Co-operative Commonwealth Federation)

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. Knowles:

The amendment as amended has not yet been put to the house.

The Address-Mr. Diefenbaker

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Elie Beauregard (Speaker of the Senate)

Liberal

Mr. Speaker:

The next question before the house will be on the amendment as amended.

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December 5, 1951