April 23, 1951

STANDING ORDERS


First report of standing committee on standing orders-Mr. MacLean (Cape Breton North and Victoria).


FLOOD CONDITIONS

OTTAWA AREA

LIB

Alphonse Fournier (Minister of Public Works; Leader of the Government in the House of Commons; Liberal Party House Leader)

Liberal

Hon. Alphonse Fournier (Minister of Public Works):

Mr. Speaker, on Friday last the leader of the opposition (Mr. Drew) put the following question to me:

Has the minister explored the possibility of using the dams north of Ottawa to hold back a greater head of water to alleviate flood conditions?

The answer is that the officials of the Department of Public Works, aided by outside consultants, have given a great deal of thought to this problem. To date they have found no way of doing more to alleviate flood conditions. I have in hand a comprehensive report and study concerning this question, which I propose to read.

The question of controlling the flow of the Ottawa river has been studied by the Department of Public Works for many years, in consultation with the two provincial power commissions operating the river and with the other industries, including lumbering, who utilize the river for navigation. The study has not only been carried out by our engineers; we have added thereto engineers who are fully familiar with the situation. We retain on our staff a consulting engineer who knows the situation particularly well and whose guidance has been followed' for many years, as well as in the present situation. Any steps taken to guide and control the present floods were as directed by him.

On further going over the situation and analysing it thoroughly, it is agreed that no other course could have been followed that would have made flood conditions in the Ottawa area any less difficult. This opinion is shared by the officers of the power companies, of the two provincial power commissions and of the other services utilizing the river. In considering the question of the control of water at different dams, the first point always kept in mind is to alleviate flood conditions as far as possible, and the

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second is the storage of water to be used later by the different parties. In detail there are on the river between Ottawa and the headwaters dams both for power and for storage, as follows:

Dozois: built and operated by the Quebec Hydro Electric Commission. This has a drainage area of 3,000 square miles. At the beginning of the present freshet season this reservoir was completely empty, but was closed by the Quebec authorities on March 31, and has remained closed ever since. The flow into this reservoir during the past two weeks has exceeded over 20,000 cubic feet per second.

2. Rapid No. 7: operated by the Quebec government. This is a power and storage development. To date, with a limited outflow required for power purposes only and the main dam closed, it has not been completely refilled.

3. Quinze reservoir: controlled by the

Department of Public Works. Drainage basin 8,900 square miles. At the start of the present freshet this reservoir was entirely empty, and on April 16 it was partly closed and only sufficient water permitted through this dam-approximately 7,500 cubic feet for power purposes.

4. Timiskaming reservoir: dam operated by the Department of Public Works. Drainage area, 17,000 square miles. At the start of the freshet this reservoir was entirely open. At the beginning of the freshet the run-off increased the water level with the discharge fully open and the lake rose seven feet. On April 17 in order to reduce the flood the dam was partially closed. This resulted in the reservoir rising over one-half a foot in one day, which would have filled the reservoir in a few days and resulted in a higher outflow than at present is being encountered. It was necessary to keep lake Timiskaming open, as by its own drainage area it went up one foot in one day, and with rises like this apparent it is certain that conditions on lake Timiskaming would be such that the sewage disposal and filtration plants of the towns of both Haileybury and New Liskeard, which always have to be watched, would have been flooded out.

From Timiskaming to Ottawa there are the following dams: 1. La Cave, under development; 2. Des Joachims, now fully developed; 3. Bryson, fully developed; 4.

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Chenaux, fully developed; 5. Chats falls, fully developed; 6. Chaudiere, fully developed.

In the area covered by these six developments there is the run-off from approximately

17,000 square miles, which accumulates a discharge of approximately 145,000 cubic feet per second, none of which can be controlled at any of the dams, as there is absolutely no storage.

It is therefore evident that the whole situation so far as the vicinity of Ottawa is concerned was due to the inability to store any of the waters between Timiskaming and Ottawa, a distance of approximately 200 miles, and that therefore the major lakes, Timiskaming, Quinze and Dozois, had no effect on the flood that took place in the Ottawa river, but, on the contrary, assisted in retarding the flow.

All things considered, we know of no move that could have been made that would alleviate flood conditions in the area other than the ones that have been indicated and we are pleased to have had the cooperation of the Ontario and Quebec hydroelectric power commissions in order to give full effect to these measures.

Topic:   FLOOD CONDITIONS
Subtopic:   OTTAWA AREA
Sub-subtopic:   BACK WATER AT UPPER DAMS
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PC

George Alexander Drew (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. George A. Drew (Leader of the Opposition):

Mr. Speaker, since I raised the

question may I express to the minister my appreciation of this review of what has taken place. From my own experience I know of the close co-operation there is between the provincial authorities and that section of his department which handles this subject. I would point out, however, that with the construction of the large new power dams on the river, new problems are presented. I would strongly urge that a general review of the whole situation be undertaken, with a view to considering the possibility of an increase in the storage facilities at some points, to hold not only the water in the upper areas but also the heavy flow that comes below these dams.

I am sure that the report correctly interprets the situation, because I know that the officials of the minister's department work in the closest co-operation with those who are primarily responsible for the operation of these dams.

Topic:   FLOOD CONDITIONS
Subtopic:   OTTAWA AREA
Sub-subtopic:   BACK WATER AT UPPER DAMS
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LIB

Alphonse Fournier (Minister of Public Works; Leader of the Government in the House of Commons; Liberal Party House Leader)

Liberal

Mr. Fournier (Hull):

Mr. Speaker, I

certainly will give instructions to my officials to make a survey and look into these conditions, because the results of the flood are terrible. I am personally acquainted with the conditions, because they happen to be close to me, and no one sympathizes more with the people in those areas than I do.

Topic:   FLOOD CONDITIONS
Subtopic:   OTTAWA AREA
Sub-subtopic:   BACK WATER AT UPPER DAMS
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QUESTIONS


(Questions answered orally are indicated by an asterisk.)


CANADIAN NATIONAL RAILWAYS

NEWFOUNDLAND

PC

William Joseph Browne

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Browne (St. John's West):

What have been the revenues and expenditures of the Canadian National railway system in Newfoundland for the fiscal years 1949-1950, and 19501951?

Topic:   CANADIAN NATIONAL RAILWAYS
Subtopic:   NEWFOUNDLAND
Sub-subtopic:   REVENUES AND EXPENDITURES
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L L

William Moore Benidickson (Parliamentary Assistant to the Minister of Transport)

Liberal Labour

Mr. Benidickson:

The Canadian National Railways advise as follows:

The revenues and expenditures of the Canadian National railway system in Newfoundland are kept on a calendar year basis, and this information from the date of entrustment of operation, April 1, 1949, to December 31, 1949, and for the calendar year 1950, is as follows:

Revenues and expenditures of Canadian National Railways in Newfoundland, including rail, express, steamships, telegraphs, and hotel:

Year 1949 Year 1950

Operating revenues . $ 7,756,495 $11,015,287Operating expenses . 10,340,526 13,864,558Net operating deficit 2,584,031 2,849,271Other income- dr 97,179 153,043Total deficit . $ 2,681,210 $ 3,002,314

The above figures, it will be noted, cover operating revenues and expenses. They do not include charges for headquarters administrative expense.

Topic:   CANADIAN NATIONAL RAILWAYS
Subtopic:   NEWFOUNDLAND
Sub-subtopic:   REVENUES AND EXPENDITURES
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DEFENCE PRODUCTION DEPARTMENT

PERSONNEL, ETC.

LIB

Mr. MacLean (Cape Breton North and Victoria):

Liberal

1. What are the names and home addresses of the key men or heads of branches of the Department of Defence Production?

2. With what firms or business association were each of them associated immediately prior to appointment to present position with the said department?

3. In each case (a) is business association to be continued; (b) what salary is paid by the department; (c) what is the term of employment?

4. Are branches to be opened to serve the eastern and western sections of Canada?

Topic:   DEFENCE PRODUCTION DEPARTMENT
Subtopic:   PERSONNEL, ETC.
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LIB

Mr. Mcllraiih: (Parliamentary Assistant to the Minister of Defence Production; Parliamentary Assistant to the Minister of Trade and Commerce)

Liberal

1. Deputy minister, M. W. Mackenzie, Ottawa, Ont.; special assistant to the deputy minister, T. N. Beaupre, Ottawa, Ont.; financial adviser, H. G. Hesler, Montreal, P.Q.;

associate financial adviser, L. D. Hudon, Sorel, P.Q.; general counsel, K. B. Palmer, K.C., Toronto, Ontario; director, legal branch, W. T. Patterson, K.C., Winnipeg, Man.; comptroller, G. F. Wevill, Ottawa, Ontario; director, economics and statistics branch, E. P. Weeks, Ottawa, Ont.; director, administration branch, J. C. Rutledge, Ottawa, Ontario.

Production Branch: Co-ordinator, Crawford Gordon Jr., Toronto, Ontario; director, aircraft division, F. S. McGill, Westmount, P.Q.; director, machine tool division, E. Barker, Toronto, Ontario; director, shipbuilding division, A. C. McDonald, Montreal, P. Q.; director, mechanical transport division, J. M. Cochrane, Windsor, Ont.; director, guns and ammunition division, H. R. Malley, Ottawa, Ontario; director, electronics division, A. H. Zimmerman, Niagara Falls, New York; director, small industries divisions, G. D. Mallory, Ottawa, Ontario; president and general manager, Defence Construction, Ltd., R. G. Johnson, Ottawa, Ont.

General Purchasing Branch: Co-ordinator, W. D. Low, Ottawa, Ontario; deputy co-ordinator, C. R. Snell, Winnipeg, Manitoba; general purchasing agent, W. J. Atkinson, Ottawa, Ontario.

Materials Branch: A/Co-ordinator, M. W. Mackenzie, Ottawa, Ontario; director, steel division, K. S. Harris, Concord, Mass., U S.A.; director, non-ferrous metals division, F. V. C. Hewett, Toronto, Ont.; director, chemical and explosives division, J. R. Donald, Westmount, P.Q.; director, petroleum division, O. G. Hopkins, Toronto, Ontario; director, priorities division, H. J. Sissons, Toronto, Ontario.

2. H. G. Hesler, the Royal Bank of Canada, Montreal; L. D. Hudon, Marine Industries Limited, Sorel, P.Q.; K. B. Palmer, K.C., Borden, Elliott, Kelley, Palmer and Sankey, Toronto; W. T. Patterson, K.C., Canadian National Railways, Winnipeg; Crawford Gordon Jr., English Electric Company of Canada, St. Catharines, and John Inglis Company, Toronto; F. S. McGill, Dominion Oilcloth & Linoleum Company, Montreal; E. Barker, Modern Tool Works, Toronto; A. C. McDonald, Canadian Pacific Railway Company, Montreal; J. M. Cochrane, Ford Motor Company, Windsor, Ontario; A. H. Zimmerman, Moore Corporation Limited, Toronto; R. G. Johnson, Canadian Construction Association, Ottawa; C. R. Snell, Canadian National Railways, Winnipeg; K. S. Harris, Business Consultant, Boston, Mass., U.S.A.; F. V. C. Hewett, Consulting Mining Engineer, Toronto; J. R. Donald, Donald, Ross and Company, Chemical Engineers and Consulting Chemists, Montreal; O. G.

Questions

Hopkins, Imperial Oil Limited, Toronto; H. J. Sissons, Ontario Hydro Electric Power Commission, Toronto.

The other persons named in No. 1 were recruited from the government service.

3. (a) Yes, in the case of each person recruited from industry.

(b) C. R. Snell ($12,000); F. V. C. Hewett (retaining fee, $6,000); nil, for all other persons recruited from industry; for those recruited from civil service, salary rates were those at which they were employed prior to joining Department of Defence Production.

(c) The lifetime of the defence production act, or until the appointment authority is rescinded.

4. District purchasing offices of the Canadian Commercial Corporation, located in Newfoundland, Saint John, N.B., Halifax, Quebec, Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto, Winnipeg, Regina, Calgary, Edmonton, Vancouver and Victoria, have now been taken over by the Department of Defence Production and will continue to be operated by that department. Defence Construction Limited use, under contract arrangement, the facilities of the regional offices of Central Mortgage and Housing Corporation located in Halifax, Montreal, Toronto, Winnipeg, and Vancouver, and a branch office located at Edmonton.

Topic:   DEFENCE PRODUCTION DEPARTMENT
Subtopic:   PERSONNEL, ETC.
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USE OP IMPORTED EQUIPMENT BY B.C. CONSTRUCTION COMPANIES

LIB

Mr. Goode:

Liberal

1. Has an application been received by any department of the government for the importation of wooden barges, steel barges and derricks from the United States by a construction company in British Columbia?

2. If so, has such application been approved?

3. Do government contracts for dredging or breakwaters in British Columbia contain a clause forbidding the use of United States equipment?

4. Is there a "derrick and scows built in Canada" clause in the contracts now in force on the Pacific coast?

Topic:   USE OP IMPORTED EQUIPMENT BY B.C. CONSTRUCTION COMPANIES
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LIB

Mr. Bradley: (Secretary of State of Canada)

Liberal

1. Yes.

2. Under consideration.

3. Contracts for dredging throughout Canada contain the following clause:

"The dredges and other plant which are intended to be employed on this work shall have been duly registered in Canada on or before the thirty-first day of December, 1929, or shall have been constructed and registered in Canada since the said date.

Proof of registration in writing shall be furnished when demanded."

Questions

Construction contracts do not have this clause, as the use of floating plant is usually a very minor part of a construction contract.

4. No.

Topic:   USE OP IMPORTED EQUIPMENT BY B.C. CONSTRUCTION COMPANIES
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April 23, 1951