September 11, 1950


Amendment agreed to. Section as amended agreed to. Section 4 agreed to. Consumer Credit Act On section 5-Expiration.


PC

Donald Methuen Fleming

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Fleming:

I do not propose to weary the committee with a long argument or repeat what I said this afternoon in connection with a similar section in another bill, but I do urge the minister to consider reducing this period. He has referred to certain things this evening, notably the fact that he does not necessarily propose to put this legislation into effect immediately. There is also a great area within the scope of the bill in connection with which the minister has reached no decision as yet as to the extent to which power may be exercised. For these reasons it seems to me that it is desirable that this legislation should come back to the house before the expiration of the time limit provided in section 5.

If this section is passed it means in effect that parliament will not have this matter before it within two years. It seems to me that the various factors I have mentioned and others that have arisen during the debate make it desirable that parliament should have some closer contact with the administration of this act and the results of that administration than the two-year period provides. Therefore, I urge the minister to shorten the period provided in this section.

There is a second point which I raised also this afternoon on Bill No. 5. I do not think an address is the proper method of extending the life of legislation of this kind because it deprives hon. members of the opportunity that the normal procedure of a bill gives them to discuss the matter at various stages instead of its being left to a sudden decision after a discussion at only one stage in the proceedings.

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LIB

Douglas Charles Abbott (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. Abbott:

This question of procedure is a matter of opinion on which my hon. friend and I may differ. His opinion is available and so is mine. The usual procedure in legislation of this kind-I refer notably to the Foreign Exchange Control Act-is not to have an expiration date but to leave it to parliament to repeal the legislation at such time as it is felt proper to do so. In this case, as in the case of the Foreign Exchange Control Act, it was felt desirable to put in a termination date.

It is always open to any hon. member who has ceased to have confidence in the government to base a motion of want of confidence, either on the address or at another appropriate time, on the fact that this act should be repealed or that it is not being administered properly. As to opportunity for discussion, it should be remembered that this will be under the administration of the Minister of Finance. I shall have to make provision in my

Consumer Credit Act

estimates for its administration and anyone who wishes to ask questions will be perfectly free to do so. I cannot see a great deal of validity in the point raised by my hon. friend that the termination date should be a nearer date than July 31, 1952.

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Section agreed to. Bill reported.


LIB

Douglas Charles Abbott (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. Abbott moved

the third reading of the bill.

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CCF

Stanley Howard Knowles (Whip of the Co-operative Commonwealth Federation)

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. Knowles:

By leave.

Motion agreed to and bill read the third time and passed.

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BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE

LIB

Alphonse Fournier (Minister of Public Works; Leader of the Government in the House of Commons; Liberal Party House Leader)

Liberal

Mr. Fournier (Hull) moved

the adjournment of the house.

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CCF

Stanley Howard Knowles (Whip of the Co-operative Commonwealth Federation)

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. Knowles:

What do we do tomorrow?

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LIB

Alphonse Fournier (Minister of Public Works; Leader of the Government in the House of Commons; Liberal Party House Leader)

Liberal

Mr. Fournier (Hull):

Tomorrow we will take up the third reading of Bill No. 5 and then continue the debate on the budget.

Motion agreed to and the house adjourned at 10.40 p.m.

Tuesday, September 12, 1950

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September 11, 1950