December 1, 1949

PC

Percy Chapman Black

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Black (Cumberland):

I should like to have a copy of the bill.

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LIB

Louis-René Beaudoin (Deputy Chair of Committees of the Whole)

Liberal

The Deputy Chairman:

Shall section 1 carry?

Coal

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?

Some hon. Members:

Carried.

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PC

Percy Chapman Black

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Black (Cumberland):

I do not think it is fair to carry this section until we have a chance to look at the bill.

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LIB

Clarence Decatur Howe (Minister of Trade and Commerce)

Liberal

Mr. Howe:

The bill was distributed two or three days ago. I think the hon. member has it on his file.

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Section agreed to. On section 2-Definitions.


LIB

Gordon Benjamin Isnor

Liberal

Mr. Isnor:

Does paragraph (c) which defines "project" include the treating of coal, apart from the production of it?

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LIB

Clarence Decatur Howe (Minister of Trade and Commerce)

Liberal

Mr. Howe:

Yes, it includes washing and polishing plants-the entire mechanization from the mine to the finished product.

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LIB

Gordon Benjamin Isnor

Liberal

Mr. Isnor:

Does it include the carrying out of research in the research centre at Dalhousie, which is paid' for by the company?

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LIB

Clarence Decatur Howe (Minister of Trade and Commerce)

Liberal

Mr. Howe:

No, it would not. The purpose of the bill is to improve the efficiency of coalmining in Nova Scotia.

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PC

Alfred Johnson Brooks

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Brooks:

And New Brunswick.

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LIB

Clarence Decatur Howe (Minister of Trade and Commerce)

Liberal

Mr. Howe:

I meant to refer to the maritime provinces. The purpose is to prevent the maritime industry from being priced out of its market. The costs of mining are steadily going up, while the costs of competing coals are tending to fall. The gap is being met at the present time by subventions, but these are getting too large for comfort. We hope to lower the cost of producing maritime coal and to lower the cost of subventions now required to allow that coal to move to market.

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LIB

William F. Carroll

Liberal

Mr. Carroll:

If a coal operator wishes to have a preparation plant, might this loan be used for that purpose?

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LIB

Clarence Decatur Howe (Minister of Trade and Commerce)

Liberal

Mr. Howe:

Yes. I have already discussed with the premier of New Brunswick, in a very general way, a preparation plant for the Minto area. That particular area seems to lend itself to that solution; which is quite within the terms of the bill.

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PC

Percy Chapman Black

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Black (Cumberland):

How many projects will have the opportunity to get the loan?

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LIB

Clarence Decatur Howe (Minister of Trade and Commerce)

Liberal

Mr. Howe:

We have received only one well-rounded project, and that is the project for the mechanization of the mines of the Dominion Steel and Coal Company. That company has spent three years in preparing its projects. It has brought in outside engineers to check the plans worked out by its own operators. An expert has been retained by the coal board to examine its proposals. We have today only one project, which runs to a total of some $15 million, and calls for the mechanization of all the mines of the Dominion Coal Company.

[The Deputy Chairman.]

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PC

Percy Chapman Black

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Black (Cumberland):

That is the one

operation where you propose to lend $7,500,000.

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LIB

Clarence Decatur Howe (Minister of Trade and Commerce)

Liberal

Mr. Howe:

Up to that amount.

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PC

Percy Chapman Black

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Black (Cumberland):

Have any proposals been made with respect to other smaller operations?

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LIB

Clarence Decatur Howe (Minister of Trade and Commerce)

Liberal

Mr. Howe:

We have received none, except that we have discussed in a very preliminary and tentative way a project for a treating plant for the Minto mines.

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December 1, 1949