November 25, 1949

LIB

Stuart Sinclair Garson (Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada)

Liberal

Mr. Garson:

I thought perhaps that was deliberate.

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PC

John George Diefenbaker

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Diefenbaker:

It is significant.

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CCF

Stanley Howard Knowles (Whip of the Co-operative Commonwealth Federation)

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. Knowles:

I wonder, Mr. Chairman, whether the Minister of Justice could come down this way a little bit. I do not like asking him to talk louder; he has had to talk a good deal within the last few weeks. If he would just move down-no, not alongside the Minister of Trade and Commerce; that would be bad-but down near the centre of the chamber.

Topic:   COMBINES INVESTIGATION ACT
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LIB

Clarence Decatur Howe (Minister of Trade and Commerce)

Liberal

Mr. Howe:

My hon. friend is usurping the prerogative of running the house. Suppose he leave it to the government. My hon. friend forgets that the government was elected to conduct the public business, not the small group of which he is a member.

Topic:   COMBINES INVESTIGATION ACT
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CCF

Stanley Howard Knowles (Whip of the Co-operative Commonwealth Federation)

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. Knowles:

I will deal with that matter later. I am just making a request on behalf of the members of the house. As a matter of fact I make it in order to save the Minister of Justice from having to shout so that we can hear him.

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PC

John George Diefenbaker

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Diefenbaker:

The minister had better stay where he is.

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LIB

Stuart Sinclair Garson (Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada)

Liberal

Mr. Garson:

I will try to shout. When my voice gets tired, I shall let my hon. friends know.

As to some of these questions, Mr. Chairman, I would have trouble if I attempted to answer them from memory. For example, one is: How many investigations have there been since October, 1935? I shall be glad to get that information for my hon. friend.

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PC

John George Diefenbaker

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Diefenbaker:

And table it.

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LIB

Stuart Sinclair Garson (Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada)

Liberal

Mr. Garson:

I certainly would not attempt to give it from memory, because I might forget one or two.

Combines Investigation Act

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John George Diefenbaker

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Diefenbaker:

All right.

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LIB

Stuart Sinclair Garson (Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada)

Liberal

Mr. Garson:

The second question has to do with international cartels. I would have preferred that my hon. friend write his questions, because upon the language in which they are framed may depend his being satisfied with the answers he gets later, and the answers being responsive to the terms of his questions. I shall be glad to get the information for him. I think he will agree, though, that it has no immediate bearing upon this present section. If he will be content that we examine the Hansard report of this sitting and then bring down a return in reply to the questions he has put on the record, I shall be glad to do that.

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PC

John George Diefenbaker

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Diefenbaker:

And incorporate the

information in Hansard?

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LIB

Stuart Sinclair Garson (Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada)

Liberal

Mr. Garson:

And incorporate it in Hansard. yes.

My hon. friend asks: What industries have been investigated since 1946? I think that would go in the same return.

The next question was: Are there any

reports in preparation touching industries that have been investigated? At a previous stage of the discussion of this bill I had occasion to say I had been instructed by the commissioner that we did not give out information as to investigations and reports in progress. Personally I would have no disposition whatever to claim that privilege, and I think that I can, within the propriety which the commissioner enjoins upon me, answer my hon. friend's question by referring him to the evidence of the commissioner himself before the prices committee, where he was called upon by the vote of the committee to disclose the reports which he had in preparation at that time. I think my hon. friend will find the report referred to there.

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John George Diefenbaker

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Diefenbaker:

We have the Financial Post this week publishing the record of the various industries that have been investigated, and saying that the reports will be available on December 31.

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LIB

Stuart Sinclair Garson (Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada)

Liberal

Mr. Garson:

Mr. Chairman, unfortunately,

I am not responsible for the reportorial or editorial policy-

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John George Diefenbaker

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Diefenbaker:

It is not editorial.

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LIB

Stuart Sinclair Garson (Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada)

Liberal

Mr. Garson:

-of any paper.

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PC

John George Diefenbaker

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Diefenbaker:

It is Mr. Wilson's statement.

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LIB

Stuart Sinclair Garson (Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada)

Liberal

Mr. Garson:

Well, I know that Mr. Wilson is a competent journalist, but if he writes a speculative article naming certain dates I am sure we would not consider we were in any way bound by it. I am quite pre-

Combines Investigation Act pared to confer with the commissioner and get the reports. I have them in my mind at the moment, but in relation to the very point that my hon. friend was criticizing me for yesterday, namely, not observing secrecy with regard to my department, I would prefer-

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John George Diefenbaker

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Diefenbaker:

No; at no time did I mention the need of secrecy in regard to his department. What I said was that the minister had lifted the veil on what took place in the cabinet, and indicated that there was lack of solidarity.

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November 25, 1949