November 22, 1949

REFERENCES TO REMARKS IN DEBATE ON NOVEMBER 21

PC

George Alexander Drew (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. George A. Drew (Leader of the Opposition):

On a question of privilege

Mr. Speaker, on reading Hansard of November 21 at page 2000, just after I had presented certain views to you in regard to a discussion which took place yesterday on a point of order I find that words are included which I did not hear. If I had heard them, I would have dealt with them immediately.

Following the presentation of a quotation from Beauchesne's Parliamentary Rules and Forms, Hansard reports the Minister of Trade and Commerce, (Mr. Howe) as saying: "Always the slanderer." Since that incident is past, I do not propose to do more than to say that had I heard that statement at the time it was made, I would have taken appropriate action.

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CCF

Stanley Howard Knowles (Whip of the Co-operative Commonwealth Federation)

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. Stanley Knowles (Winnipeg North Centre):

Mr. Speaker, I rise on a question of privilege. Yesterday in the course of one of the debates I asked whether or not a Mr. John Aird, associated with a certain bill, was the same John Aird who had been called in the Beauharnois investigation in 1931. At the time I asked my question I had been led to believe that such was the case. I now find that it is not the same man, and I feel that it is my duty to withdraw any inference against the Mr. John Aird associated with the pipe line bill in question.

ILater: 1

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LIB

Elie Beauregard (Speaker of the Senate)

Liberal

Mr. Speaker:

When the house assembled at eleven o'clock this morning the leader of the opposition (Mr. Drew) brought to my attention certain words which, according to Hansard, were used by the Minister of Trade and Commerce (Mr. Howe). He did not hear the words; I do not think any other hon. members of the house heard them, and in any event I did not hear them. I recall that there was considerable confusion at the time, and the debate was quite heated. Of course the words are unparliamentary. The leader of the opposition did not ask to have them withdrawn, but in the circumstances-

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LIB

Clarence Decatur Howe (Minister of Trade and Commerce)

Liberal

Right Hon. C. D. Howe (Minister of Trade and Commerce):

Mr. Speaker, in view of the fact that the leader of the opposition withdrew his insinuation that I knew something I said I did not know, I am happy to withdraw the words in question.

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LIB

Elie Beauregard (Speaker of the Senate)

Liberal

Mr. Speaker:

Then this will close the incident.

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QUESTION OF TRANSPORTATION FOR WESTERN MEMBERS AT END OF SESSION


On the orders of the day:


LIB

George Alexander Cruickshank

Liberal

Mr. G. A. Cruickshank (Fraser Valley):

should like to direct a question to the Acting Minister of Transport about arrangements for transportation home for western members at the end of the session. The reason I ask the question, Mr. Speaker, is that many of us have reservations for the 4th and 5th of December. Obviously the house will not finish its business on December 3. We have been informed by both railways that if we cancel our present reservations we shall get no transportation on either railroad until December 26. We should like to stay here until the end of the session-although I think some members of the government might like to see me go home this afternoon.

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LIB

Elie Beauregard (Speaker of the Senate)

Liberal

Mr. Speaker:

Order.

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LIB

George Alexander Cruickshank

Liberal

Mr. Cruickshank:

This is important to the western members, Mr. Speaker. Through you, sir, I should like to ask the Minister of Transport whether arrangements can be made. I presume that the government and the leader of the opposition want their members to remain until the end of the session.

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LIB

John Sylvester Aloysius Sinnott

Liberal

Mr. Sinnoit:

Ride the rods.

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LIB

George Alexander Cruickshank

Liberal

Mr. Cruickshank:

That may be all right for some hon. members from Manitoba; the hon. member for Springfield may have had the experience of riding the rods, but I have not.

We asked this question once before and arrangements were made. No member should have to leave before the end of the session. If a member cancels his reservations he has to stay here until December 26, and no one is going to do that. I should like an expression of opinion from the acting minister.

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LIB

Clarence Decatur Howe (Minister of Trade and Commerce)

Liberal

Right Hon. C. D. Howe (Minister of Trade and Commerce):

Mr. Speaker, I shall be glad to have the officers of the Department of

Inquiries of the Ministry Transport discuss with the two railways the possibility of putting on additional equipment to take care of transportation for hon. members at the close of the session.

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BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE


On the orders of the day: Hon. Alphonse Fournier (Minister of Public Works): Before you call the order, Mr. Speaker, which was announced last night as the first business for today, I wish to tell the house that the Minister of Reconstruction and Supply (Mr. Winters) will not be here this morning. He is not very well. We would, however, ask the house to proceed, in his absence, with the resolution respecting the trans-Canada highway. I understand that the debate was nearly concluded last night, and we wish to have the bill introduced so that hon. members may study it and have a discussion on the second reading, if there is no objection to that course. I have spoken to representatives of the various parties, and they seem to agree.


PC

Howard Charles Green

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Green:

May I ask whether a minister will be available who can answer questions when the resolution goes into committee?

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LIB

Alphonse Fournier (Minister of Public Works; Leader of the Government in the House of Commons; Liberal Party House Leader)

Liberal

Mr. Fournier (Hull):

The minister has no parliamentary assistant, but the debate yesterday ran part of the afternoon and during the evening. The intention is that the bill be read the first time, and members will then have the details of the bill before them. If we do not adopt that procedure,

I do not know just what course we can take.

I do not know when the minister will be back.

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PC

Joseph Henry Harris

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Harris (Danforih):

Perhaps in the meantime the leader of the house will answer the questions.

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LIB

Alphonse Fournier (Minister of Public Works; Leader of the Government in the House of Commons; Liberal Party House Leader)

Liberal

Mr. Fournier (Hull):

I will do my best.

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November 22, 1949