April 26, 1949

LIB

John Ewen Sinclair

Liberal

Mr. Sinclair:

Insurance services.

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CCF

Clarence Gillis

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. Gillis:

Insurance is not a monopoly and neither is the telephone. You have traveled in that province. In so far as the expansion of their telephone system is concerned, they are still pioneering.

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PC

Arthur Leroy Smith

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Smith (Calgary West):

It is a monopoly.

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CCF

Clarence Gillis

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. Gillis:

Simply because the government of Saskatchewan has had to take it over, it cannot be called a monopoly. The service has been extended. It was taken over because you could not get risk capital to do it. The government has reduced the rates, as I pointed out, and greatly extended the service. It would never have been done in that province under free enterprise. Since free enterprise became part of the Canadian set-up there has been an opportunity of doing that,

but it was not done. It was not being done by risk capital under the other governments, as was clearly indicated.

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LIB

John Ewen Sinclair

Liberal

Mr. Sinclair:

Will the hon. member permit me one question?

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CCF

Clarence Gillis

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. Gillis:

Yes.

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LIB

John Ewen Sinclair

Liberal

Mr. Sinclair:

My question is supplementary to the one asked by the member for Calgary West (Mr. Smith). I will put it this way: Were the four enterprises which went broke not competing with private firms? Were they not firms selling boots, hides and blankets? Those four that went broke were not monopolies but were competing with private enterprise. Was not that the fact?

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CCF

Clarence Gillis

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. Gillis:

No.

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CCF

Gladys Grace Mae Strum

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mrs. Strum:

Those are manufacturing enterprises.

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CCF

Clarence Gillis

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. Gillis:

That is not a correct statement.

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LIB

John Ewen Sinclair

Liberal

Mr. Sinclair:

There are woollen mills in Canada and you are competing with them.

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CCF

Clarence Gillis

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. Gillis:

In the first place, none of those enterprises went broke. Secondly, none of them are closed down. A few days ago when I was in Regina a government representative was carrying on negotiations with the members of the union for a wage scale in the woollen mill. A few have been laid off to reduce operating costs, but the great majority of the employees are still there.

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LIB

John Ewen Sinclair

Liberal

Mr. Sinclair:

The caretakers?

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CCF

Clarence Gillis

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. Gillis:

No; there were two or three people laid off. Right now a contract is being negotiated for the woollen mill.

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CCF

Gladys Grace Mae Strum

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mrs. Strum:

Visit it on your way home.

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LIB

John Ewen Sinclair

Liberal

Mr. Sinclair:

I should like to do so.

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CCF

Clarence Gillis

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. Gillis:

The trouble with my hon. friends is that they are the victims of their own press.

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CCF

Stanley Howard Knowles (Whip of the Co-operative Commonwealth Federation)

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. Knowles:

The Globe and Mail.

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CCF

Clarence Gillis

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. Gillis:

Yes. They just supported the Globe and Mail set-up in the field of the monopoly press. Already there is one in Nova Scotia. For some considerable time the press of this country has been trying to prove that the government of Saskatchewan has been a failure. It was for that reason I went out to have a look at it. I do not have to listen to the editor of the Sydney Post-Record, who hibernates in Sydney, telling the people of this country that all these places are closed up. They are not. I was there a week ago and I saw them.

As I pointed out, the few that are in difficulties represent no more than five per cent of the total capital invested in that field. The job that has been done from

The Budget-Mr. Gillis scratch, instead of deserving criticism from us in this house, who must realize we have to make changes in the economic structure on this continent if we are to live in the world I see developing, should be studied to ascertain whether that thing could work. If it does work it is a Canadian pattern that could be adopted all over this country.

I should like to take a look at the other side of the picture, where there have been free enterprise governments, and give you a few figures concerning commercial failures in the last four years.

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PC

John George Diefenbaker

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Diefenbaker:

I thought they always got profits.

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April 26, 1949