March 2, 1949

OFFICIAL REPORT OF DEBATES

FIFTH SESSION-TWENTIETH PARLIAMENT 13 GEORGE VI, 1949 VOLUME II, 1949 COMPRISING THE PERIOD FROM THE SECOND DAY OF MARCH, 1949, TO THE TWENTY-THIRD DAY OF MARCH, 1949, INCLUSIVE BEING VOLUME CCLXVII FOR THE PERIOD 1875-1949 INDEX ISSUED IN A SEPARATE VOLUME OTTAWA EDMOND CLOUTIER, C.M.G., B.A. L.PH., PRINTER TO THE KING'S MOST EXCELLENT MAJESTY CONTROLLER OF STATIONERY CANADA


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Speaker: The Honourable Gaspard Fauteux Wednesday, March 2, 1949


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REFERENCE TO REPORT IN MONTREAL "GAZETTE" OF MARCH 2

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Louis Stephen St-Laurent (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council)

Liberal

Right Hon. L. S. St. Laurent (Prime Minister):

I am again compelled, Mr. Speaker, to rise on a matter of personal privilege, but I hope it can be disposed of without raising any uproar, because it has to do with the rethreshing of old straw.

The Montreal Gazette of this morning has on the front page a column with this heading: Serious Charges

Misuse of R.C.M.P. Laid to St. Laurent as Secrecy Ends "Methods of Gestapo"

P.C. Leader Urges Prime Minister be Called to Account for "Prostitution"

The article is written by Mr. Arthur Blakely. It goes on to say:

Serious charges against Prime Minister (then minister of justice) St. Laurent, involving the misuse of the R.C.M.P., are contained in the famous secret letter on Hong Kong which opposition leader Drew wrote to ex-Prime Minister King in 1942, and which Mr. Drew made public today.

The letter charges Mr. St. Laurent as justice minister with having attempted "to suppress the truth" in the Hong Kong debacle "by imitating the methods of the gestapo." It urged that he be "called to public account without delay" for "this shameful prostitution" of the R.C.M.P.

A little further down the article continues:

The Drew letter accuses Mr. St. Laurent of having used, through the Royal Canadian Mounted Police, questionable methods to secure evidence which would counterbalance testimony that the twenty military vehicles which were to have accompanied the troopship to Hong Kong could have been loaded had they been made available.

Editorially the leader writer of the Gazette makes this comment, under the title, " 'War secrecy' concealed strange actions":

These are charges which would seem to require a full and detailed reply. But Mr. St. Laurent says that no reply can be made . . . This irregular use of the R.C.M.P. in Canada has never received the examination which the charge would seem to deserve. The delay in making the matter public has been prolonged for seven years.

I am afraid the inaccuracy must be attributed to the fact that Mr. Blakely was probably not here in 1942, and I do not know 29087-67

where the leader writer of the Gazette may have been at that time. But I wish to call the attention of those who may be interested- if there are still any who are interested-to the fact that on July 28, 1942, this matter was fully gone into, as reported at pages 4868 and following of Hansard of that year. Mr. Bruce, the then member for Parkdale, raised this question, among others:

How can the government ever justify using the authority of the criminal investigations branch of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police, a great and honoured force, to obtain evidence in a civil inquiry...

At page 4869 Mr. Bruce went on as follows:

I am asking the government to justify its action in using the criminal investigation branch of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police for the purpose of getting information in a civil inquiry-not a criminal inquiry.

Then on page 4870:

I think it is a prostitution-

The word is not new.

-of the great Royal Canadian Mounted Police to ask them to assume a responsibility of the kind which they were asked to assume, and which is a direct responsibility of the minister of justice (Mr. St. Laurent) for having done so.

I went fully into all the facts in that connection, as appears on pages 4870, 4871 and 4872; and when I got through, the hon. member for Parkdale was generous enough to make this statement, as reported at page 4872:

Mr. Speaker, I rise to a question of privilege. As the minister of justice in quoting from a Vancouver newspaper has cited portions of a letter submitted by Colonel Drew to the Prime Minister, to my leader and to the leaders of the other groups, I may say that I also was quoting from that letter and I was not attacking the minister of justice personally.

In reply I said:

I thank the hon. member for Parkdale for the withdrawal of the implication at least which his former words contained.

Anyone who may be interested at this time in these events will find that the matter was fully gone into, with the result that the then hon. member for Parkdale made the statement I have just quoted.

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PC

George Alexander Drew (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. George A. Drew (Leader of Ihe Opposition):

Mr. Speaker, the Prime - Minister has referred to an earlier discussion of this matter, and I should think he might now wish to have

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the letter tabled so that the record may be complete. If that is his wish, I am prepared to table it. In any event-

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Some hon. Members:

Order.

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LIB

James Horace King (Speaker of the Senate)

Liberal

Mr. Speaker:

Order.

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George Alexander Drew (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Drew:

In any event, Mr. Speaker, may I simply say that the letter has been published, and I stand by every word in it.

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LIB

Louis Stephen St-Laurent (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council)

Liberal

Mr. St. Laurent:

Mr. Speaker, the Prime Minister is not now prepared, and never will be prepared, to break a confidence until such time as the one who stipulated that confidence relieves him of the responsibility involved therein. If others choose to take a different view of the obligation with respect to information received by them in confidence, it is their responsibility, and I do not wish to share it.

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George Alexander Drew (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Drew:

Mr. Speaker, I rise on a question of privilege.

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Some hon. Members:

Order.

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Gordon Graydon

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Graydon:

Fair play.

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LIB

James Horace King (Speaker of the Senate)

Liberal

Mr. Speaker:

Order. I would ask hon. members to listen to the leader of the opposition, who has risen on a question of privilege, and let him state his question of privilege. I would ask the leader of the opposition, however, to state his question of privilege and not to make any statement.

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George Alexander Drew (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Drew:

Mr. Speaker, the question of privilege is very clear. The Prime Minister has left the impression that in what has been done there is a breach of secrecy. I would point out that there has been no breach of secrecy; anything that has been said was said in the proper way to the then prime minister of Canada, and was placed in the possession of this house. The information was received here through the regular channels.

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LIB

James Horace King (Speaker of the Senate)

Liberal

Mr. Speaker:

Order.

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(Questions answered orally are indicated by an asterisk).


March 2, 1949