February 3, 1949

CCF

Stanley Howard Knowles (Whip of the Co-operative Commonwealth Federation)

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. Knowles:

Would the hon. member permit a question?

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Donald Methuen Fleming

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Fleming:

I would rather take the questions at the end of my statement, since time is running short.

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CCF

Stanley Howard Knowles (Whip of the Co-operative Commonwealth Federation)

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. Knowles:

Is this an admission that your leader broke up the conference?

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LIB

William Ross Macdonald (Deputy Speaker and Chair of Committees of the Whole of the House of Commons)

Liberal

Mr. Deputy Speaker:

Order; I should point out that a question cannot be asked without the consent of the member.

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George Alexander Cruickshank

Liberal

Mr. Cruickshank:

He cannot answer him anyhow?

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Donald Methuen Fleming

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Fleming:

When you get a question as absurd as the one asked by the hon. member from Winnipeg, it does not take long to dispose of it. I have just made it clear the dominion government sabotaged the conference and I may say it would have been sabotaged just as quickly if the C.C.F. had been the government, because the worst centralizers in this Dominion of Canada are the C.C.F. socialists.

This mentality that has been exhibited by the Minister of Justice is apparently the

The Address-Mr. Fleming mentality that is to characterize this government in its continued relations with the provinces.

We had to listen to the Prime Minister on Monday last say, in effect, that he had neither the time nor the patience to attend further dominion-provincial conferences.

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LIB

George Alexander Cruickshank

Liberal

Mr. Cruickshank:

He never said any such thing.

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Donald Methuen Fleming

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Fleming:

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Paul Joseph James Martin (Minister of National Health and Welfare)

Liberal

Mr. Martin:

Why does the hon. gentleman not read the whole statement instead of one excerpt?

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Donald Methuen Fleming

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Fleming:

If the hon. minister had been in the house or had read Hansard, he would know the Prime Minister read at very great length from what he said on June 18, 1946. I repeat, for the benefit of the minister, that the Prime Minister omitted to read that most significant statement in the passage he read. I do not think that omission was accidental. That is the contention which fell from the lips of the right hon. gentleman on that occasion which has given rise to so much disturbance in certain parts of this country and which ought to be a matter of genuine concern to all parts.

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George Alexander Cruickshank

Liberal

Mr. Cruickshank:

In all parts; what parts?

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Donald Methuen Fleming

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Fleming:

In the parts with which the hon. gentleman apparently is not acquainted, but should be.

The Prime Minister has said the province of Quebec likes its facts straight. I wonder if the Prime Minister did not get the facts straight from the people of Quebec last July when the results of the provincial general election were announced. Strangely enough, although this subject has been discussed on many occasions, to the Prime Minister's certain knowledge, it has taken him nearly three years to rise in his place in this house and attempt to put an interpretation on remarks that he made on June 18, 1946. Let there be no mistake about that.

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Paul Joseph James Martin (Minister of National Health and Welfare)

Liberal

Mr. Martin:

May I ask the hon. gentleman a question?

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Donald Methuen Fleming

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Fleming:

Mr. Speaker, my time is limited, and I will not ask for any extension. If the Minister of National Health and Welfare (Mr. Martin) will wait until I finish, I shall be glad to answer his question.

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Paul Joseph James Martin (Minister of National Health and Welfare)

Liberal

Mr. Martin:

The hon. gentleman has said-

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Donald Methuen Fleming

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Fleming:

Mr. Speaker, I wish to continue.

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Paul Joseph James Martin (Minister of National Health and Welfare)

Liberal

Mr. Martin:

I should like to ask-

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Some hon. Members:

Sit down.

The Address-Mr. Fleming

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Donald Methuen Fleming

Progressive Conservative

Mr. Fleming:

Whether the Minister of National Health and Welfare likes it or not, I say that remark from the Prime Minister was a perfectly deliberate and studied remark. It was, however, in accord with the contention the Prime Minister, then Minister of Justice, was making not only then but in the previous days of debate on that same subject.

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Paul Joseph James Martin (Minister of National Health and Welfare)

Liberal

Mr. Martin:

I rise to a point of order. The hon. gentleman has just now made an insinuation that the Prime Minister deliberately tried to deceive this House of Commons.

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February 3, 1949