June 29, 1948

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Mr. COLD WELL@

What about the Saskatchewan election?

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LIB

James Garfield Gardiner (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. GARDINER:

I scarcely discussed it in Saskatchewan, and if my hon. friend will look at the map he will find that the only constituency in Saskatchewan in which there are a considerable number of ranches went Liberal.

Mr. 'OOLDWELL: In consequence of the minister's announcement.

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LIB

James Garfield Gardiner (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. GARDINER:

In other words, they show they are very well satisfied1 with the present policy.

The fact is that no one can make an announcement in advance about taking an embargo off cattle; otherwise there would not be any cattle delivered until the date announced. But in view of the fact that information is wanted, I call attention to the fact that in January 1947 the hog-barley ratio in Winnipeg was 19-5 and the hog-corn ratio in Chicago was 17*1. In May, 1948, the hog-barley ratio in Winnipeg was 19, and1 the hog-corn ratio in Chicago was 8-7. In other words, those who have now great numbers of cattle still feeding in their stalls would find that if the controls were removed immediately, the cost of grain to feed livestock would be just double what it is now.

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INQUIRY AS TO REPORT OF COMMITTEE ON PROCEDURE


On the orders of the day:


CCF

Stanley Howard Knowles (Whip of the Co-operative Commonwealth Federation)

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. STANLEY KNOWLES (Winnipeg North Centre):

Mr. Speaker, may I direct a question to the Prime Minister? Is it the government's intention to take any action this session in connection with the report on procedure which was tabled on Friday last by His Honour the Speaker?

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LIB

William Lyon Mackenzie King (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council)

Liberal

Right Hon. W. L. MACKENZIE KING (Prime Minister):

My hon. friend will have to wait and see. So far as I am aware, we have covered all the reports the government intends to bring forward at this time.

The house in committee of supply, Mr. Macdonald (Brantford City) in the chair.

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DEPARTMENT OF NATIONAL REVENUE


International short wave broadcasting station- SOT. Maintenance and operation, $1,711,560.


PC

Douglas Gooderham Ross

Progressive Conservative

Mr. ROSS (St. Paul's):

Mr. Chairman, are you taking votes 307, 308, 804 and 805 together?

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LIB

William Ross Macdonald (Deputy Speaker and Chair of Committees of the Whole of the House of Commons)

Liberal

The CHAIRMAN:

It has been suggested by the hon. member for St. Paul's that we consider votes 307, 308, 804 and 805 together. Is that agreed?

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Some hon. MEMBERS:

Agreed.

SOS. Capital costs, $75,606.

SOI/. Maintenance and operation-further

amount required, $116,591.89.

80S. Capital costs-further amount required, $3,066,460.

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PC

Douglas Gooderham Ross

Progressive Conservative

Mr. ROSS (St, Paul's):

Perhaps the minister would give us a few details of the capital cost of $3,000,000 odd in vote 805. I think I know what it- is for, probably for the purchase of the Ford hotel building in Montreal. Why does the C.B.C. want that building? I just cannot see why a building costing over three million dollars is needed in connection with this international short wave. Has this anything to do with the ordinary expenditures of CJ3.C., or what is the explanation?

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LIB

James Joseph McCann (Minister of National Revenue)

Liberal

Mr. McCANN:

Votes 307, 308, 804 and 805 have to do with the international shortwave service of the broadcasting system. Last night I think I explained pretty well what the functions of the international short wave were, and the work that was being done by that organization in broadcasting programs from Canada, to different parts of the world. I explained that the money that was spent prior to 1945, when the international shortwave was opened, was money which had been voted by parliament for the original construction, and arrangements were made that the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation should operate the service for a reasonable fee percentage of the amount of money spent on the system.

That is as far as that particular development went, inasmuch as no provision was made at that time for offices, either engineering or administrative, or for studios for those who were to take part in broadcasting the programs. It was necessary to use the facilities of the C.BjC. in the city of Montreal, which is the headquarters for the broadcasting, and that was done. Our arrangements in that city have not been of the best, since we have had to have seven different locations in Montreal for C.B.C. and the international short wai*e. Unfortunately last January there

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was a fire and an explosion at one of these locations, in King's Hall on St. Catherine street, involving loss of life and great destruction of property. It immediately became necessary to find other quarters to take the place of those destroyed. AVe have also run into difficulties in that our leases were expiring this year and it became necessary to look for new quarters or to renew the present leases. AVhen it came to renewing leases we found that in Montreal as in many other cities the rates had almost doubled. It was thought that it would be a matter of good policy if the facilities of both the international short wave and the C.B.C. could be brought together in one public building. With that in mind arrangements have been made, but have not been fully completed, under which the crown is buying what is known as the Ford hotel on Dorchester street for headquarters of the international shortwave system. In the building will be housed those offices which are necessary to carry on the system. There will be administrative offices and engineering offices. The interior of the building will be converted into up-to-date studios. The C.B.C. will become tenants of the building. AVhen the C.B.C. become tenants of the building owned by the crown in the name of the international short wave we shall have reached what we have had in mind for years, namely, the idea of having concentrated in one quarter the facilities of both the international short wave and the C.B.C.

As I said, the cost of the building is $2,000,000. In addition to that, to provide for expansion in years to come, if it is necessary, we have also purchased a building from the same people next to the Ford hotel on Dorchester street for the sum of $50,000. In order to take care of the leases which are held by tenants at the present time the Ford hotel people are looking after them and we are compensating them to the extent of $150,000. The cost of the Ford hotel, the cost of the building next to it, and the amount necessary to take care of the leases, bring the total up to $2,200,000. We are asking for an appropriation of $3,000,000 because it will take the remaining $800,000 to reconstruct and transform the building into offices and suitable studios.

I do not know that I can give any more information with reference to the matter, but I shall be glad to answer any questions that have to do with it.

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PC

Douglas Gooderham Ross

Progressive Conservative

Mr. ROSS (St. Paul's):

I do not think anybody in Canada begrudges the money to our international short-wave system. It can be one

of the greatest things for good that we have ever had in Canada in connection with trade if it is properly carried on and if the broadcasts are properly done. We are a democratic country. We must let the people of the rest of the world know what a fine place Canada is in which to live. When you listen to some of the members of the C.C.F. party to my left talk about Canada you would think that it was an awful place.

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CCF

George Hugh Castleden

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. CASTLEDEN:

It is getting better every day.

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PC

Douglas Gooderham Ross

Progressive Conservative

Mr. ROSS (St. Paul's):

I find that most people look upon Canada as a good place in which to live. We should be broadcasting to the world what a fine place Canada is.^ I am all in favour of money being expended in that way.

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An hon. MEMBER:

And a good government to do it.

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PC

Douglas Gooderham Ross

Progressive Conservative

Mr. ROSS (St. Paul's):

You will have a better government when we get into power, which will not be long from now.

Aside from this political stuff, there is one thing we should stop, and that is this farcical method of collecting radio fees. At the present time the broadcasting corporation is purchasing a building for the short-wave system. That is just nonsense because they are going to have the C.B.C. as tenants, and the people of Canada are going to pay for it. They will not get it out of the $2.50 that every radio owner is supposed to pay each year. The system does not get $2.50 from everybody. Let us cut it out. I know that the minister is anxious to cut down expenditures, but how in the world can he justify the expenditure of $571,000 to collect the licence fees? For some unknown reason-I do not know what it is

he says he wants to keep the C.B.C. free of government interference or something like that. The point is, it is not done. A person can have ten radios, and he pays a fee of $2.50. If he gets one more radio in his car he has to pay an additional $2.50.

The Minister of Agriculture probably has three or four radios in his house and one in the hotel. I have two or three around my place as well; I have one in my summer home and on my farm. All I have to pay is $2.50. What a nonsensical situation that is. I cannot understand it. I am all in favour of having a good C.B.C. AVe should have had a radio committee this year. It should be a standing committee. That committee should meet every session because there are many things that are dependent upon the C.B.C. There is the question of freedom of speech, which is coming up all the time. AVe have that question before us now.

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Arza Clair Casselman (Chief Opposition Whip; Whip of the Progressive Conservative Party)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. CASSELMAN:

We are getting it now.

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June 29, 1948