June 29, 1948

LIB

Alphonse Fournier (Minister of Public Works; Leader of the Government in the House of Commons; Liberal Party House Leader)

Liberal

Mr. FOURNIER (Hull):

This is one favour we are doing the province.

iMr. LENNARD: It is part of their highway system.

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LIB

Alphonse Fournier (Minister of Public Works; Leader of the Government in the House of Commons; Liberal Party House Leader)

Liberal

Mr. FOURNIER (Hull):

I understand that the bridge is over a canal, a work belonging to the federal government.

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Frank Exton Lennard

Progressive Conservative

Mr. LENNARD:

I am an Ontario member and I am not protecting that province. I think they should pay something, and probably they should do the same thing in British Columbia and Saskatchewan. I understand that a new super-highway is to be built to cross the canal either by an elevated bridge or by a tunnel.

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LIB

Alphonse Fournier (Minister of Public Works; Leader of the Government in the House of Commons; Liberal Party House Leader)

Liberal

Mr. FOURNIER (Hull):

I have no report on that. The present bridge is sufficient for our needs, but if the Ontario government want to put in another bridge they would have to make some contribution.

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John Ritchie MacNicol

Progressive Conservative

Mr. MacNICOL:

I should like to support the hon. member for Wentworth who is thoroughly familiar with the situation. He is quite right in suggesting that a tunnel should be there rather than a bridge. The government must keep up the bridge for the passage of boats, but quite often when it is open cars will line up for half a mile back. As the minister knows, recently when the bridge was open a car ran off the end and one or two occupants were drowned.

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Item agreed to. Engineering branch-'Maintenance and operation of roads and bridges- 367. Kingston, LaSalle causeway, $128,498.


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John Ritchie MacNicol

Progressive Conservative

Mr. MacNICOL:

As the minister knows, this is on No. 2 highway, and is located in a historic part of the province. On the left is old Fort Henry and on the right is old Fort Fron-tenac. When the department has some money to spare the minister should consider making a memorial bridge at this point because of its historic associations. I am not finding any fault with the causeway that is there, but it really is not very presentable. Next time the minister passes there, I wish he would look at it with a view to putting up some sort of memorial entrance.

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Item agreed to. Engineering branch-Construction, repairs and improvements - harbours ;and rivers - Prince Edward Island- 372. Canoe Cove-breakwater, repairs, $22,000. Charlottetown-towards wharf reconstruction and improvements, $250,000. Supply-Public Works Harbours and rivers generally-for maintenance of sendees, no new works to be undertaken, and to authorize commitments against future years in t/he amount of $35,000, $90,000. Launching pond-boat harbour (revote $50,000), $74,000. Little Sands-wharf reconstruction, $70,000. Montague-wharf reconstruction (revote), $26,000. North Lake-reconstruction of breakwaters, $73,000. Red Head-harbour improvements. $7,000. Souris-breakwater repairs, $50,000. Summerside-railway wharf-repairs to wharf and reconstruction of shed (revote 87,000), $90,000. Summerside-to take over and reconstruct Holman's wharf, $35,000. Tignish-repairs to breakwaters (revote $63,400), $90,000. Wood Islands-wharf improvements (revote $67,000), $192,000.


PC

Winfield Chester Scott McLure

Progressive Conservative

Mr. McLURE:

One item here covers harbours and rivers generally, and I think I should refer again to Rustico harbour where protection is needed for the lighthouse property, the fishermen's houses and their equipment, such as boats and stages. This whole harbour is now threatened whenever a heavy storm comes up. Representations have been made to the minister from time to time and at least twice efforts have been made to put up a jigsaw breastwork as a protection. When the seas are very heavy the expenditure is just a waste of money. Ten or twelve thousand dollars have been spent there within the last two years and this amount is not worth ten cents as a protection for that beach. Some piles should be driven in there and a strong wall built. That work would have to be done only once. The sand would then collect inside of it and form a breastwork itself.

If the engineers were instructed to look into this matter carefully you would not be wasting $5,000 or $10,000 annually putting in the jigsaw affairs you put in there, which provide in a storm no more protection than a tencent article. Just an ordinary storm would wash the whole thing away. It would throw it up on the bank and, if the storm continued, the whole beach and all the dwelling houses would be swept away. This is a serious enough matter for some good engineers to look into it.

I sent the minister a copy of the plan of how the work should be done. That plan originated from fishermen who had lived there all their lives. One more storm like the one we had last fall-and it was not particularly severe-and you can say good-bye to your lighthouses as well as to the dwellings there. I serve notice on the government that they will be responsible to the fishermen for the

loss of their property, because representations have been made to the government.

I notice that most of this vote is a revote, except $250,000 toward wharf reconstruction and improvements at Charlottetown. Is this amount required for building a new warehouse, or is it for an extension to the wharf?

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LIB

Alphonse Fournier (Minister of Public Works; Leader of the Government in the House of Commons; Liberal Party House Leader)

Liberal

Mr. FOURNIER (Hull):

The Rustico

problem has given me many a headache. Our engineers did try out some works there, I do not know with what success, but the report which the hon. member makes is not a very good one. At one time I sent down the assistant chief engineer, and his report was that these works were of an experimental nature, and that if they did not answer the purpose a change of plans would be necessary. The department is looking seriously into the situation at Rustico.

The $250,000 for Charlottetown is required toward reconstructing the east side of the railway wharf, widening the wharf, dredging in the east berth and replacing the present frostproof warehouse; total estimated cost, $634,000.

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Douglas King Hazen

Progressive Conservative

Mr. HAZEN:

This morning the Minister of Public Works was furnished with valuable information about the waters of our lakes and rivers from some members who reside inland in this dominion. While I listened to them, I thought of the words of a maritime poet:

Smile, ye inland lakes and rivers;

Flush, ye mountains in the dawn;

But my roving heart is ever

WTith tire ships of grey Saint John.

Now that we have returned in these estimates to the lonely sea and sky, I should like to say a word or two on behalf of some fishermen in the constituency I have the honour to represent. I wish to direct the minister's attention to one matter, and one matter only, and/ that is the condition of the wharf at Lorneville in the county of Saint John. A year or so ago, one summer day I sat on the beach at that village talking with a fisherman who was repairing his boat, and in the course of the conversation he said to me, "You know, I feel more at home on the water than I do on the land." I had never heard a man express that point of view before; afterwards I asked one or two men in the village who go out fishing what they thought about it, and they said: "Most of

us fish, two men in a boat. We start off in the late afternoon, drift all night, and come back in the morning. Some days when it is foggy and rough many of the boys say, we are not going out tonight, but this man always went out in his boat alone, no matter how dirty the weather". He felt more at home on the water than on the land.

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The condition of the wharf in that fishing village is deplorable. There is no wharf left. I received a letter from the minister of the main church in that village a year or so ago, asking if something could not be done about the wharf, and I have had other applications about it. I have taken this matter up with the minister and his department at different times, and) in January, 1946, I received a tetter from the acting minister, notifying me that consideration was being given' to this wharf and that the possibility of a new wharf being constructed was under study. The wharf is all gone now, and that is a great handicap to the fishermen. I again bring the condition of that wharf to the attention of the minister and trust that he will give it his further consideration.

I should like to know just what is the present position with respect to the wharf and breakwater at Chance Harbour, a small fishing village. The wharf was badlly in need of repairs, and a year or so ago some money was voted to restore the wharf and breakwater. What is the position at Chance Harbour now?

In conclusion, I want to thank the minister for the dredging done at Dipper Harbour. Dredging was badly needed there. It has been done and it has proved of great service to the fishermen in taking their boats in and out and in moving what they call their cars, which are large wooden boxes which float in the water and in which they keep their lobsters.

Mr. FOURNIER, (Hull): I cannot make any promise, but I have told my officials that I should like to have these two projects studied. I should like to see a report on the conditions at Lomeville and Chance Harbour, and if they are as described by the hon. member he may be sure that I personally will see that something is done.

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Item agreed to. Engineering branch-construction, repairs and improvements-harbours and rivers-Ontario- 375. Belle River-reconstruction of training wall, $34,000. Bracebridge-redredging, the provincial government to bear a like amount (revote), $42,00'0. Britt-wharf (revote $9,500), $13,500. Brockville-breakwater reconstruction, $138,-OOfl. Bronte-reconstruction of piers (revote $37,000), $212,000. Byng Inlet-wharf (revote $9,600'). $13,500. Cockburn Island'-reconstruction of harbour works (revote $22,500), $56,000. Coll'ingwood-harbour reconstruction and improvements (revote $63,000), $75,000. Fort William-dredging (revote $31,000), $85,000. Gananoque-wharf extension, $8,600. Hamilton-towards harbour improvements (revote), $300,000. Harbours and rivers generally-for maintenance of sewices no new works to be undertaken, and to authorize commitments against future years in the amount of $75,000, $275,000. Kenora-repairs to wharves (revote $42,000), $58,000. Kincardine-repairs to piers, $30,000. Kingsville-harbour repairs and improvements (revote $111,000), $140,000. Little Current-site for wharf (revote), $25,-



Maediarmid1-breakwater repairs, $15,000. Meaford-revetment wall (revote), $7,000. Midland to Parry Sound-towards dredging inside channel1 (Tevote), $200,000. Morson-wharf replacement (revote $7,400), $10,500. North Bay-wharf improvements, $10,000. Ottawa-(Rideau river)'-repairs to walls and tail race (revote $41,000), $64,000. Pelee Island-wharf improvements (revote), $28,000. Penetanguishene-harbour improvements (revote $24,000). $87,000. Port Arthur-dredging (revote $231,000), $340,000. Port Arthur-breakwater (revote $210,000), $300,000. Port Bruce-reconstruction of pier (revote $28,000), $38,000. Port Burwell-reconstruction of pier, $110,000. Port Colborne-breakwater repairs (revote $25,000), $34,000. Port Dover-eheckwater repairs and extension, $8,000. Port Elgin-breakwater repairs (revote $71,200), $78,000. Port Hope-harbour repairs (revote $121,-OOO), $200,000. Port Rowan-harbour repairs and improvements (revote $29,000), $33,000. Redwood Road-wharf (revote). $4,500. Salmon Point-breakwater extension (revote $13,000). $17,100. Sand Point-wharf repairs, $39,000. South Baymouth-harbour improvements (revote $45,000), $100,000. Sturgeon Falls-wharf extension (revote), $8,400. Tobermory-wharf and dredging (revote), $43,000 Toronto-harbour maintenance (revote). $45,000. Wallaceburg-extension to wharf and warehouse, $31,500. Whitby-repairs to harbour works, $230,000.


PC

Theobald Butler Barrett

Progressive Conservative

Mr. BARRETT:

I should like to inquire what is to be done at Port Dover and Port Rowan. The wharf at Port Dover is in a dangerous condition, due to lack of repairs. What is the extent of the repairs that are to be made at Port Dover for $8,000, which seems to me inadequate for the work that is absolutely necessary there? What does the government propose to do in the way of dredging at Port Dover? This is not a problem that concerns my constituency alone. I think the chairman wall bear me out that the opening of Port Dover to make it possible to have a

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ferry service across the lake would be of great interest to quite a large territory north of that port. The cities of Brantford, Paris, Galt, Kitchener, and even Guelph are particularly anxious to have this port opened. A deputation was here last winter and brought this matter to the attention of the department. The opening of the port would enable crosslake traffic to reach a densely populated section of the United States, eastern Ohio and Pennsylvania. If that harbour could be opened up by dredging so that a ferry could get in, it would be of great benefit, not only to the port itself but, as I have said, to this territory in Ontario north of Port Dover.

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LIB

Alphonse Fournier (Minister of Public Works; Leader of the Government in the House of Commons; Liberal Party House Leader)

Liberal

Mr. FOURNIER (Hull):

The expenditure of $8,000 on Port Dover is detailed in this way: raising the height of and extending the crib work checkwater by providing 1,200 tons of rubble stone at a cost of $7,200. Inspection and contingencies amount to $800. Dredging was carried on by local agreement with Mr. George Gamble in 1946. The removal of 6,000 cubic yards of class B material at eighty cents a cubic yard; probable expenditure in 1947-48, $3,840.

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Theobald Butler Barrett

Progressive Conservative

Mr. BARRETT:

That has already been done.

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LIB

Alphonse Fournier (Minister of Public Works; Leader of the Government in the House of Commons; Liberal Party House Leader)

Liberal

Mr. FOURNIER (Hull):

The hon. member wants the large project of $500,000?

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Theobald Butler Barrett

Progressive Conservative

Mr. BARRETT:

No, I was not suggesting that. Has any consideration been given to the dredging of sand out of the harbour? In years gone by, this harbour could accommodate ferry boats. I remember in my youth that a large car ferry used to come in there.

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LIB

Alphonse Fournier (Minister of Public Works; Leader of the Government in the House of Commons; Liberal Party House Leader)

Liberal

Mr. FOURNIER (Hull):

We are considering this matter. I note that there is a study here. An estimate has been made of the dredging, but it has not been presented. It was made up for my information. I shall look further into it.

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Theobald Butler Barrett

Progressive Conservative

Mr. BARRETT:

What is proposed to be done at Port Rowan? There is a fairly large vote for that.

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June 29, 1948