June 22, 1948

CCF

George Hugh Castleden

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. CASTLEDEN:

Does the -act apply only to claims staked after the coming into force of the act? What protection is there for those who have already staked their claims?

Topic:   YUKON QUARTZ MINING ACT
Subtopic:   AMENDMENT TO SUBSTITUTE "GOLD COMMISSIONER" FOR "COMMISSIONER", ETC.
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LIB

James Angus MacKinnon (Minister of Mines and Resources)

Liberal

Mr. MacKINNON:

There will be no interference with them.

Topic:   YUKON QUARTZ MINING ACT
Subtopic:   AMENDMENT TO SUBSTITUTE "GOLD COMMISSIONER" FOR "COMMISSIONER", ETC.
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CCF

George Hugh Castleden

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. CASTLEDEN:

This applies only from now on?

Topic:   YUKON QUARTZ MINING ACT
Subtopic:   AMENDMENT TO SUBSTITUTE "GOLD COMMISSIONER" FOR "COMMISSIONER", ETC.
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LIB

James Angus MacKinnon (Minister of Mines and Resources)

Liberal

Mr. MacKINNON:

To all claims.

Topic:   YUKON QUARTZ MINING ACT
Subtopic:   AMENDMENT TO SUBSTITUTE "GOLD COMMISSIONER" FOR "COMMISSIONER", ETC.
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PC

George Black

Progressive Conservative

Mr. BLACK (Yukon):

This afternoon, as always, the minister has been reasonable, but his attitude is quite different from that of his staff when this crusade was begun. With them it was a "must", a command, on pain of cancellation. It is true that the editorial read by the hon. member for Wentworth was written before those "musts" and commands and threats had been toned down by the minister. He knew better, but evidently his staff did not. This whole heartache which has been caused to the miners of Yukon is based on this statement:

There are those who wish to proceed with the development of the mineral resources of Yukon territory and are unable to ascertain the limits of the properties that can be secured either by purchase or staking.

If there are people in that predicament, let us know who they are, and who is holding them up, and then discipline those who are holding them up. I asked this question of the minister:

Who are those who wish to proceed with the development of the mineral resources of Yukon territory anid are unable to ascertain the limits of the properties that can be secured either by purchase or staking, referred to in the notices senit to the owners of unsurveyed mineral claims in Yukon by the mining recorders of Yukon on instructions of the Minister of Mines and Resources ?

This is the naive answer, if I may use that word, which the minister gave me:

Companies and individuals who have already made substantial investments in mining in the Yukon and are interested in its development in the future.

That was a lot of information. Who could it possibly have been, but individuals or companies? We knew that before the question was asked. Since it was not an answer, I repeated the question on June 2. To that question the minister said this:

Mr. Speaker, may I answer this question orally?

He proceeded to read it as follows:

It is not customary, nor, except under most unusual circumstances, is it appropriate, to

Yukon Quartz Mining Act

make public reference by name to persons who communicate with departmental officials on matters of private concern. To violate this procedure might result in the disclosure of the personal and business interests of individuals or companies in a way that would be unnecessarily detrimental without serving any valid public purpose. In the present instance it is felt that the publication of the names of the persons and companies involved would not result in any public benefit, but would be an unwarranted disclosure of documents which it would not be appropriate, nor in accord with official policy, to publish.

The question of substance involved in this matter has been fully answered in earlier replies to questions asked by the hon. member for Yukon.

Far from it. I had the assurance to make this remark:

Perhaps I might speak, on a question of privilege. The minister says that to answer the question would not be in the public interest. It would be more appropriate to say that it would not be in the interests of some private institutions, and the minister knows it.

I am not going to press it, but this whole heartache of the miners had been caused by that, because some miners owning mining claims or mineral claims have failed to have them surveyed. Whoever are blocking these claims should be disciplined. They should be known, and the people they are blocking should be known. Let the minister and his staff do that and cure it. Do not penalize all the claim owners in the Mayo and Keno districts. The government has dropped the demand for surveys in the Dawson mining district. They have dropped them in the Whitehorse district. The claim owners in the Mayo district must still have claims surveyed or pay $100 for the claim because somebody is holding somebody else up. Why not get at the bottom of it? Why not make a disclosure and deal with these people who are doing wrong, not the innocent ones?

Topic:   YUKON QUARTZ MINING ACT
Subtopic:   AMENDMENT TO SUBSTITUTE "GOLD COMMISSIONER" FOR "COMMISSIONER", ETC.
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LIB

James Angus MacKinnon (Minister of Mines and Resources)

Liberal

Mr. MacKINNON:

The hon. member for Yukon sees something in the woodpile that is not there.

Topic:   YUKON QUARTZ MINING ACT
Subtopic:   AMENDMENT TO SUBSTITUTE "GOLD COMMISSIONER" FOR "COMMISSIONER", ETC.
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PC

George Black

Progressive Conservative

Mr. BLACK (Yukon):

There is a nigger in the woodpile, and I am trying to smoke him out.

Topic:   YUKON QUARTZ MINING ACT
Subtopic:   AMENDMENT TO SUBSTITUTE "GOLD COMMISSIONER" FOR "COMMISSIONER", ETC.
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LIB

James Angus MacKinnon (Minister of Mines and Resources)

Liberal

Mr. MacKINNON:

My officials tell me that sufficient applications have been received in the department for surveys to keep our surveyors busy for the next year.

Topic:   YUKON QUARTZ MINING ACT
Subtopic:   AMENDMENT TO SUBSTITUTE "GOLD COMMISSIONER" FOR "COMMISSIONER", ETC.
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PC

George Black

Progressive Conservative

Mr. BLACK (Yukon):

Reference has been made to the leniency of the government in not enforcing that section and having surveys made. For years and years after the act was passed there were plenty of dominion land surveyors in Yukon, and such a thing as demanding of a man that he have his claim

surveyed was never thought of. It was only when these people who are behind the scene got busy that this was put into force.

Amendment (Mr. Black, Yukon) negatived.

Topic:   YUKON QUARTZ MINING ACT
Subtopic:   AMENDMENT TO SUBSTITUTE "GOLD COMMISSIONER" FOR "COMMISSIONER", ETC.
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Section agreed to. Section 14 agreed to. On section 15-Schedule.


PC

George Black

Progressive Conservative

Mr. BLACK (Yukon):

This section contains a schedule of fees. To some extent the fees have been reduced. I should like to call the attention of the minister and his staff to the fact that a fee for recording a mineral claim in Yukon is now $10, and the proposed schedule continues it, whereas in British Columbia it is only $2.50. Why it should cost more to record a claim in Yukon than in British Columbia, I fail to see.

Topic:   YUKON QUARTZ MINING ACT
Subtopic:   AMENDMENT TO SUBSTITUTE "GOLD COMMISSIONER" FOR "COMMISSIONER", ETC.
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Schedule agreed to. Title agreed to. Bill reported, read the third time and passed.



Hon. ALPHONSE FOURNIER (Minister of Public Works) moved that the house go into committee of supply. Motion agreed to and the house went into committee of supply, Mr. Golding in the chair.


DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE


Special- S3. To provide for assistance to encourage tlie improvement of cheese and cheese factories, $1,700,000.


PC

George Robert Webb

Progressive Conservative

Mr. WEBB:

I see there is an increase of $200,000 in this item this year. Will the parliamentary assistant give us a breakdown of this item? I am particularly interested in the reconstruction of cheese factories. What districts of the province get this amount?

Mr. ROBERT MeCUBBIN (Parliamentary Assistant to the Minister of Agriculture): The hon. member for Leeds asks a question with respect to the increase of $200,000 in this item. Materials have become more easy to procure than they -were during the past years. We find that more applications are now coming in for the construction of and assistance to cheese factories. We felt that during the coming year more would be needed. There is a decrease in the amount of bonus that we are paying, for the simple reason that our cheese production is down, and not as much will be needed.

Topic:   DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE
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PC

George Robert Webb

Progressive Conservative

Mr. WEBB:

I am interested in this, because I come from an area of fairly high cheese production. Is there any kind of breakdown that shows where these subsidies go?

Supply-Agriculture

Mr, McCUBBIX: provinces, the total

amount paid last year was: Ontario, $341,535; Manitoba, $553; Alberta, $9,082; British Columbia, $1,037; New Brunswick, $484; Prince Edward Island, $401; Quebec, $688,798.

Topic:   DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE
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PC

George Robert Webb

Progressive Conservative

Mr. WEBB:

I am interested in the building of cheese factories. This refers to standardization of cheese pressing equipment, reconstruction of cheese factories and so on. Does this take in all that?

Topic:   DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE
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LIB

Robert McCubbin (Parliamentary Assistant to the Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. McCUBBIX:

Yes. Would the hon. member want a breakdown for his own county? If he does, we can get it for him.

Topic:   DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE
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PC

Robert Earle Drope

Progressive Conservative

Mr. DROPE:

How far does the department go in regard to subsidies for construction and reconstruction? What percentage of the cost is undertaken and what are the requirements?

Topic:   DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE
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June 22, 1948