May 20, 1948

LIB

Robert Henry Winters (Parliamentary Assistant to the Minister of National Revenue)

Liberal

Mr. WINTERS:

Does that apply to a

harbour master at a port where there is no revenue coming into the port? There are some harbour masters in ports where there is no revenue. Nevertheless they do a considerable amount of work gratis.

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LIB

Lionel Chevrier (Minister of Transport)

Liberal

Mr. CHEVRIER:

This has to do with public harbours. If there is a public harbour a harbour master may be appointed. He may not necessarily be appointed.

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LIB

John Ewen Sinclair

Liberal

Mr. SINCLAIR:

At a public harbour where a harbour master is appointed he will henceforth be on salary and under the civil service commission.

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CCF

Clarence Gillis

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. GILLIS:

Would the minister mind

defining what constitutes a public harbour?

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LIB

Lionel Chevrier (Minister of Transport)

Liberal

Mr. CHEVRIER:

A public harbour is a

harbour which has been defined by limitation; in other words, one whose description has been covered by a separate document under the Canada Shipping Act.

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CCF

Clarence Gillis

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. GILLIS:

That is vague and indefinite.

I have a specific case in mind. I read it into the record around 1942. A harbour master had been dignified with that title for a period of about twenty years. He is held responsible for the regulation of traffic in and out of the harbour, must report to the customs officials and be responsible for clearing and entering vessels, and so forth, but he receives no salary.

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LIB

Lionel Chevrier (Minister of Transport)

Liberal

Mr. CHEVRIER:

He will receive a salary from now on.

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CCF

Clarence Gillis

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. GILLIS:

Will that 'be retroactive? The officer I have in mind has been there for twenty years. Surely, if he is entitled to a salary now he should have been entitled to it all along. You apply now to the civil service commission, and I suppose the man who has held the jo'b for twenty years, performed that service, will not be eligible for the position because of certain educational qualifications.

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LIB
CCF

Clarence Gillis

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. GILLIS:

Is that the idea?

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LIB
PC

John Ritchie MacNicol

Progressive Conservative

Mr. MacNICOL:

Do any ships use the

harbour?

Business of the House

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CCF

Clarence Gillis

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. GILLIS:

Yes, a couple of hundred ships in and out of that harbour a month.

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LIB

Robert Henry Winters (Parliamentary Assistant to the Minister of National Revenue)

Liberal

Mr. WINTERS:

What is the name of the harbour?

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CCF

Clarence Gillis

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. GILLIS:

I am not sure whether there is too much revenue.

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LIB

John Ewen Sinclair

Liberal

Mr. SINCLAIR:

There should be revenue with 200 ships a month.

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LIB

Lionel Chevrier (Minister of Transport)

Liberal

Mr. CHEVRIER:

If there is no revenue it might be decided that a harbour master is not necessary, and one would not be appointed.

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CCF

Clarence Gillis

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. GILLIS:

It is a responsibility of the department again. I took that matter up also. A large number of ships from Newfoundland come into that harbour during the fishing season. There is wharfage there, the facilities of the department.

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LIB

William Henry Golding (Deputy Chair of Committees of the Whole)

Liberal

The DEPUTY CHAIRMAN:

It is eleven o'clock. Shall I report progress?

Section stands.

Progress reported.

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BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE

May 20, 1948