April 8, 1948

CCF

Clarence Gillis

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. GILLIS:

It hurts you a little bit, but that is true.

Topic:   INDUSTRIAL RELATIONS
Subtopic:   INVESTIGATION, CONCILIATION AND SETTLEMENT OF INDUSTRIAL DISPUTES
Permalink
PC

Alan Cockeram

Progressive Conservative

Mr. COCKERAM:

It does not hurt us.

Topic:   INDUSTRIAL RELATIONS
Subtopic:   INVESTIGATION, CONCILIATION AND SETTLEMENT OF INDUSTRIAL DISPUTES
Permalink
CCF

Clarence Gillis

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. GILLIS:

What are you squawking

about, then?

Topic:   INDUSTRIAL RELATIONS
Subtopic:   INVESTIGATION, CONCILIATION AND SETTLEMENT OF INDUSTRIAL DISPUTES
Permalink
PC

Wilfrid Garfield Case

Progressive Conservative

Mr. CASE:

I want you to be a good sport.

Topic:   INDUSTRIAL RELATIONS
Subtopic:   INVESTIGATION, CONCILIATION AND SETTLEMENT OF INDUSTRIAL DISPUTES
Permalink
CCF

Clarence Gillis

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. GILLIS:

I am a good sport, and I am explaining something you do not understand. Now here is a chance for me to get rid of a headache, because industrial relations in this province are a headache, where you have sixty per cent of industry in Canada concentrated. And it will become worse as time goes on. By accepting the national labour code., so called, which does not mean very much, the minister of labour in Ontario is in a position, at any time a dispute arises, to pass it back to the federal Minister of Labour. It is good politics for the Conservative government in Ontario to dump that load of labour relations into the lap of the federal government.

Topic:   INDUSTRIAL RELATIONS
Subtopic:   INVESTIGATION, CONCILIATION AND SETTLEMENT OF INDUSTRIAL DISPUTES
Permalink
LIB

David Arnold Croll

Liberal

Mr. CROLL:

And it is good imagination on your part.

Topic:   INDUSTRIAL RELATIONS
Subtopic:   INVESTIGATION, CONCILIATION AND SETTLEMENT OF INDUSTRIAL DISPUTES
Permalink
CCF

Clarence Gillis

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. GILLIS:

It is good sense. Don't kid yourself.

Topic:   INDUSTRIAL RELATIONS
Subtopic:   INVESTIGATION, CONCILIATION AND SETTLEMENT OF INDUSTRIAL DISPUTES
Permalink
PC

Arthur Leroy Smith

Progressive Conservative

Mr. SMITH (Calgary West):

Don't you want a national labour code?

Topic:   INDUSTRIAL RELATIONS
Subtopic:   INVESTIGATION, CONCILIATION AND SETTLEMENT OF INDUSTRIAL DISPUTES
Permalink
CCF

Clarence Gillis

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. GILLIS:

Yes.

Topic:   INDUSTRIAL RELATIONS
Subtopic:   INVESTIGATION, CONCILIATION AND SETTLEMENT OF INDUSTRIAL DISPUTES
Permalink
PC

Arthur Leroy Smith

Progressive Conservative

Mr. SMITH (Calgary West):

Then, if

Ontario comes in, give them credit.

Topic:   INDUSTRIAL RELATIONS
Subtopic:   INVESTIGATION, CONCILIATION AND SETTLEMENT OF INDUSTRIAL DISPUTES
Permalink
CCF

Clarence Gillis

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. GILLIS:

They will step out quickly enough if you enact something that means anything.

Topic:   INDUSTRIAL RELATIONS
Subtopic:   INVESTIGATION, CONCILIATION AND SETTLEMENT OF INDUSTRIAL DISPUTES
Permalink
PC

Arthur Leroy Smith

Progressive Conservative

Mr. SMITH (Calgary West):

Did you hear the member for Spadina say that the Ontario legislature yesterday gave second reading to a bill for enabling legislation to adopt this in the province? Show me any other province that has done that.

Topic:   INDUSTRIAL RELATIONS
Subtopic:   INVESTIGATION, CONCILIATION AND SETTLEMENT OF INDUSTRIAL DISPUTES
Permalink
CCF

Clarence Gillis

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. GILLIS:

Yes. They passed enabling legislation to adopt something that did not exist, because it will not exist until such time as it has gone through our committee, through this house and becomes law federally. I have no illusions as to why they grabbed it. If I

were minister of labour in Ontario I would have urged it long ago to get rid of the problem that he is getting rid of.

Now, Mr. Speaker, I will not take up more of the time of the house, but when the minister closes the debate I wish he would say something about these two points: the British North America Act, and whether we are able to go forward with this as a national code; and also the matter of the certification of the Canadian seamen's union.

Topic:   INDUSTRIAL RELATIONS
Subtopic:   INVESTIGATION, CONCILIATION AND SETTLEMENT OF INDUSTRIAL DISPUTES
Permalink
PC

Karl Kenneth Homuth

Progressive Conservative

Mr. KARL HOMUTH (Waterloo South):

I want to speak for a moment on behalf of our party here and as a member of the industrial relations committee. I am amazed, sitting in this house where there are 245 members elected across the country, to find when we come to deal with these various problems that there is a group to my left which, no matter how right you are, tells you you are wrong because you do not belong to the socialist party in this country.

Topic:   INDUSTRIAL RELATIONS
Subtopic:   INVESTIGATION, CONCILIATION AND SETTLEMENT OF INDUSTRIAL DISPUTES
Permalink
CCF

Stanley Howard Knowles (Whip of the Co-operative Commonwealth Federation)

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. KNOWLES:

That is the trouble; the hon. member does not belong to it.

Topic:   INDUSTRIAL RELATIONS
Subtopic:   INVESTIGATION, CONCILIATION AND SETTLEMENT OF INDUSTRIAL DISPUTES
Permalink
PC

Karl Kenneth Homuth

Progressive Conservative

Mr. HOMUTH:

The more I see of them, the more sick and tired I get of that group of people, who, because someone happens to be a little bit prosperous in this country, say that he is taking something out of the pockets of the people. No matter what you do, you are never right with them.

Topic:   INDUSTRIAL RELATIONS
Subtopic:   INVESTIGATION, CONCILIATION AND SETTLEMENT OF INDUSTRIAL DISPUTES
Permalink
CCF

Angus MacInnis

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. MacINNIS:

Why do you complain when you vote with the government?

Topic:   INDUSTRIAL RELATIONS
Subtopic:   INVESTIGATION, CONCILIATION AND SETTLEMENT OF INDUSTRIAL DISPUTES
Permalink
PC

Karl Kenneth Homuth

Progressive Conservative

Mr. HOMUTH:

I am complaining about the group that sits down there to my left and never has a kind thing to say about anybody except members of the socialist group. You cannot expect them to say anything against the communists because the communists have wrapped their arms around them.

What I wanted to say on behalf of our party is this. We do not intend to debate this bill. We do not intend to go into the various clauses of it. When it comes before the committee we will deal with those clauses and put forward whatever argument we have to put forward. We are in favour of the general principle of the bill. We are happy that our party which is in power in Ontario has adopted the principle of it and is willing to do everything it can to bring about a national code in this country, which is so necessary to labour peace. I hope that other provinces will follow that lead. I hope that public opinion in the province of Quebec- although some say that Quebec will be a long time in passing such legislation-will convince the government, whatever government it may

Industrial Relations

be, that it ought to line up with the others. But as far as the Progressive Conservative party m this house is concerned, we do not intend to debate the bill. We are glad it has been brought forward now. Let us hurry it along and enact it into law.

Topic:   INDUSTRIAL RELATIONS
Subtopic:   INVESTIGATION, CONCILIATION AND SETTLEMENT OF INDUSTRIAL DISPUTES
Permalink
SC

John Horne Blackmore

Social Credit

Mr. J. H. BLACKMORE (Lethbridge):

The attitude of the Social Credit group on this bill is one of sympathy. This is an act to provide for the investigation, conciliation and settlement of industrial disputes. In our country it is necessary that we strive repeatedly for a greater and greater measure of justice, both for those who labour and for those who employ labour. We shall make progress in the direction desired by repeated efforts similar to those which are being made in this bill. We must strive for less and less delay and for less disruption of the Canadian economy whenever there arises unhappiness between capital and labour in any industry. We must strive for more and more good will and confidence on all sides.

As all will agree, Canada can be a land of plenty for all; it can be a land of glorious economic strength. Those who will recall for a moment or two the painful experiences through which we passed in 1946, when the steel strike was in progress, will realize afresh how easily our economy could be disrupted and our prosperity destroyed. It therefore becomes extremely important that we devote a good deal of attention to bills of this sort, thereby improving our machinery for settling disputes and avoiding them.

It is well to bear in mind once more, I believe, that it is utterly impossible, under the present economic and financial system, to give justice both to labour and to those employing labour; in fact, it is becoming increasingly difficult to give justice to either side. Into the meaning of what I have just said I will not enter at the present time. The mere fact that we are striving toward what in reality is an impossibility under the present financial system ought not to deter us from efforts toward the accomplishment of the desired objective.

The Social Credit group are anxious to see this bill pass and go to the industrial relations committee, there to receive such study and amendment as will make it as good as we can make it at the present time; for we realize that we must keep trying and struggling. So I will just say that we wish the minister well in his endeavours to build up a machine that will enable our industrial economy to function with the greatest possible efficiency and harmony.

Topic:   INDUSTRIAL RELATIONS
Subtopic:   INVESTIGATION, CONCILIATION AND SETTLEMENT OF INDUSTRIAL DISPUTES
Permalink
CCF

Stanley Howard Knowles (Whip of the Co-operative Commonwealth Federation)

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. STANLEY KNOWLES (Winnipeg North Centre):

I wish to say a few words for the purpose of underlining a question which I hope the minister will answer when he speaks.

Reference has already been made this afternoon to the fact that the Ontario legislature has given second reading to a bill which accepts the framework of this bill for the province of Ontario. The legislature of Manitoba has before it a labour relations bill, section 60 of which deals with the same matter. As I understand it, that section provides that if there is uniformity between the Manitoba act and the dominion act, arrangements may be made under sections in both acts for the administration to be carried on in Manitoba by federal officials. Despite its shortcomings, the Manitoba act goes a little farther in this regard and provides that in the case of specific industries in which a dispute may arise, authority to deal with that particular dispute, if it is a dispute in common with disputes in other provinces, may be referred to the federal Department of Labour.

My question is this. Suppose a situation were to arise again similar to that created by the strike in the packing industry that we had last fall, would it be possible under this bill, and under bills like the one I have just described in Manitoba, for the federal Department of Labour to take a hand in seeking to settle that dispute? I contend, as the hon. member for Cape Breton South (Mr. Gillis) pointed out the other day, that we should go farther, and that we should have in this code provision for dealing with national industries such as meat packing, on a national basis, without any question. That is the main shortcoming of this bill, and in the committee we in this group who are members of it will seek to get that provision. But failing that-

Topic:   INDUSTRIAL RELATIONS
Subtopic:   INVESTIGATION, CONCILIATION AND SETTLEMENT OF INDUSTRIAL DISPUTES
Permalink

April 8, 1948