March 19, 1948

PC

Joseph Henry Harris

Progressive Conservative

Mr. HARRIS (Danforth):

I should like to make some observations which, to my mind, will help not only the farmer in this country in his production but will be of general benefit to the whole industry, particularly in connection with the export of bacon to the United Kingdom. As the minister well knows, during the last, two or three decades there has been a movement, probably led by Denmark, to reduce the weights of Wiltshire sides that are finding a market in the United Kingdom. The observation which I wish to make, speaking from experience-I think this will be borne out by hon. members-is this. The last ten pounds put on the hog before it is slaughtered are the easiest and cheapest ten pounds to put on. In view of that well-known fact the farmer makes his profit there. On the last ten pounds he makes a substantial profit. Has our policy been to encourage the British market to take a product a little heavier in weight, or are we still being led into a market which demands an even lighter weight or more lean and not so much fat? That has been the trend during the last thirty years. Has it started to turn the other way? If it has it should be encouraged to keep on in that way. If that were done the Canadian producer would find himself in a much more profitable position. It would increase our poundage for export with the same number of head of livestock; and as far as dietetics are concerned, in the judgment of many people who have studied this, it would be better for the people who are consuming the product if we reverse the trend a little. Has the minister's department made any study of that, and is he in a position to say that we are now down to the lightest possible weight, or are we able to increase the rate by four, five or six pounds? Even four, five or six pounds would be greatly to the benefit of the farmers of Canada; it would also benefit the consumers. What is the policy of the department in that regard?

Agricultural Products Act

Topic:   AGRICULTURAL PRODUCTS ACT
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LIB

James Garfield Gardiner (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. GARDINER:

The general policy is about the same as it was prior to the war; that is, we are encouraging the light, lean bacon hog, the long, light, lean bacon hog. We have increased the weight. During the war the weight went up somewhere between twenty and thirty pounds per live hog. That has been maintained; we have not changed that.

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PC

Joseph Henry Harris

Progressive Conservative

Mr. HARRIS (Danforth):

Did the minister say, between twenty and forty pounds?

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LIB

James Garfield Gardiner (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. GARDINER:

Yes. We allowed hogs to grade as selects, A's, at that weight. That happened about the middle of the war, along about 1942 or 1943, and we still maintain those weights.

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PC

Joseph Henry Harris

Progressive Conservative

Mr. HARRIS (Danforth):

Not as high as forty pounds?

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LIB

James Garfield Gardiner (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. GARDINER:

An average of about twenty. I say from twenty to forty pounds, somewhere in those ranges, depending on how they were finished. They can go up from twenty to forty pounds.

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Joseph Henry Harris

Progressive Conservative

Mr. HARRIS (Danforth):

If the average is twenty pounds, how could they go up to forty pounds?

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LIB

James Garfield Gardiner (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. GARDINER:

The hon. member had better read the regulations and he will find that the weight is not set at even figures; but a man can get A's at a range that runs from about 200 to 240 pounds.

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PC

Joseph Henry Harris

Progressive Conservative

Mr. HARRIS (Danforth):

Not forty.

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LIB

James Garfield Gardiner (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. GARDINER:

In these weights. I am getting them, and I suppose you are, too.

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Lewis Elston Cardiff

Progressive Conservative

Mr. CARDIFF:

Would that not depend on the kind of hog that the weight was on?

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LIB

James Garfield Gardiner (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. GARDINER:

Yes. It has to be the long, lean Yorkshire hog.

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John Alpheus Charlton

Progressive Conservative

Mr. CHARLTON:

I have some more remarks to make at a later stage of the bill,

but there is one thing I should like to ask now. I have been following closely the figures that the minister was giving a while ago. I have my return in front of me now. I do not think the figures quite jibe with the wording in this return, and I am just wondering which ones are correct. For bacon, cheese and beef the 1947 figures are preliminary. Between now and Monday could the minister get these figures up to date? They should be available for 1947.

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LIB

James Garfield Gardiner (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. GARDINER:

They may be.

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John Alpheus Charlton

Progressive Conservative

Mr. CHARLTON:

Can the minister do that?

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LIB

James Garfield Gardiner (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. GARDINER:

If they are available.

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James MacKerras Macdonnell

Progressive Conservative

Mr. MACDONNELL (Muskoka-Ontario):

The minister will remember about the 1945 figures. He is going to give those.

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LIB

James Garfield Gardiner (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. GARDINER:

Yes.

Resolution reported, read the second time and concurred in. Mr. Gardiner thereupon moved for leave to introduce Bill No. 171, to. amend the Agricultural Products Act,

Motion agreed to and bill read the first time.

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BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE


Mr. ST. LAURENT: Monday we shall take up, first of all, the resolution on the excise taxes, and when it is disposed of we shall proceed with the second reading and the committee stage of the bill which just received first reading. If any time remains after these are disposed of, the Minister of Veterans Affairs will go on with his resolution for leave to introduce a bill to amend the War Veterans Allowance Act. At eleven o'clock the house adjourned, without question put, pursuant to standing order. 5849-156i


March 19, 1948