March 10, 1948

PC

John George Diefenbaker

Progressive Conservative

Mr. J. G. DIEFENBAKER (Lake Centre):

Mr. Speaker, I rise on a question affecting the privileges of the House of Commons and of many members of the house. It has to do with a matter arising out of ihe Canadian Broadcasting Corporation, which from time to time pays an honorarium or expenses to members of the House of Commons for participating in broadcasts and the like put on by the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation. A number of members are affected by this, sir, and I therefore bring it to the attention of the house with a view to securing an opinion from the Minister of Justice as to whether or not, under the provisions of the Senate and House of Commons Act, the. acceptance by a member of the House of Commons of an honorarium or expenses results in his being placed in the position that his seat is thereby vacated and thenceforth his election is null and void. It is, sir, a matter which I know affects a great many members in all parts of the house, and it is one respecting wdiich there is considerable doubt.

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LIB

George Alexander Cruickshank

Liberal

Mr. CRUICKSHANK:

They didn't pay me anything.

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LIB

James Lorimer Ilsley (Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada)

Liberal

Right Hon. J. L. ILSLEY (Minister of Justice):

One or two members have spoken to me about this matter, and my reply to them was the same as the reply I shall have to give to my hon. friend, and that is that the Department of Justice or the Minister of Justice cannot give official opinions as to the liability of the members. The duties of the Minister of Justice, as set out in the Department of Justice Act, do not include the giving of opinions of that kind either to the members of the house or to the House of Commons itself. His duties are of a different character, such as advising the government and the departments, but not the House of Commons or members. This is a matter on which members will have to get such advice as they see fit and take their own responsibility. Perhaps the hon. member's purpose has been served by bringing the matter to the attention of the house.

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PC

John George Diefenbaker

Progressive Conservative

Mr. DIEFENBAKER:

In view of the uncertainty, would the minister consider an amendment to remove the possibility of doubt in this connection?

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LIB

Thomas Reid

Liberal

Mr. REID:

They do not have to take the money.

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LIB

James Lorimer Ilsley (Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada)

Liberal

Mr. ILSLEY:

I will bring that suggestion to the attention of my colleagues for their consideration.

Questions

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COMMITTEES OF THE HOUSE

MISCELLANEOUS PRIVATE BILLS-VETERANS AFFAIRS-PUBLIC ACCOUNTS-CHANGE IN PERSONNEL

LIB

Lionel Chevrier (Minister of Transport)

Liberal

Hon. LIONEL CHEVRIER (Minister of Transport) moved:

That the name of Mr. Bradshaw be substituted for that of Mr. Lockhart on the select standing committee on miscellaneous private bills; that the name of Mr. Fulton be substituted for that of Mr. Harkness on the special committee on veterans affairs; and further, that the name of Mr. Richard (Ottawa East) be substituted for that of Mr. MeOubbin on the select standing committee on public accounts.

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Motion agreed to.


QUESTIONS


(Questions answered orally are indicated by an asterisk).


CANADIAN NATIONAL RAILWAYS-PENSIONS

CCF

Mr. KNOWLES: (Whip of the Co-operative Commonwealth Federation)

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

1. How many employees now -working for the Canadian National Railways are making payments toward a supplemental pension in addition .to the basic pension of $25.00 per month to which they will be entitled on retirement at age 65?

2. How many employees now working for the Canadian National Railways will be entitled on retirement, according to their present status, to only the basic pension of $25.00 per month?

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LIB

Mr. CHEVRIER: (Minister of Transport)

Liberal

1. The number of employees making payments toward a supplemental annuity is 31,858.

2. There is no record of the number of employees who on retirement will be entitled to only the basic pension of $25 per month.

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CANADIAN ARMY

PC

Mr. FULTON:

Progressive Conservative

1. What is (a) the authorized strength of the Active Canadian Army? Has this been amended and if so, tvhat is the effect of the amendment; (b) the present actual strength of the Active Army?

2. What is the distribution, by commands, of Active Army personnel presently on strength?

3. Of the personnel in each command as shown in the answer to question 2, how many are (a) effective fighting forces; (b) administrative, service and desk troops?

4. (a) What is the present authorized strength in officers and other ranks respectively of each unit or part unit of all arms and services (giving names), which comprise the brigade group forming the field force of the Active Army? (b) What is the actual number of officers and other ranks respectively presently on strength in each unit or part unit covered in 4 (a)?

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LIB

Hugues Lapointe (Parliamentary Assistant to the Minister of National Defence)

Liberal

Mr. LAPOINTE:

The hon. member has agreed to drop parts 3 and 4 of the question. Parts 1 and 2 are answered.

1. (a) 26,329-subject to the total actual strength not exceeding 20,079 at the present.

(b) 15,409.

2. Army Headquarters

1,925Eastern Command

1,081Quebec Command

2,096Central Command

5,203Prairie Command

2,093Western Command

2,798Special Duty and Courses

213Total 15,409

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CANADIAN NATIONAL RAILWAYS-PENSIONS

CCF

Mr. KNOWLES: (Whip of the Co-operative Commonwealth Federation)

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

1. How many retired employees of the Canadian National Railways are in receipt of only the basic pension of $25.O0l per month?

2. How many receive the basic pension of $25.00 per month plus a supplemental pension?

3. How many of said supplemental pensions are (a) less than $20.00 per month; (b) $20.00 to $29.99; (c) $30.00 to $39.99; (d) $40.00 to $49.99; (e) $50.00 to $50.99; (f) $60.00 per month or over?

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March 10, 1948