December 12, 1947

CCF

Angus MacInnis

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. MacINNIS:

Yes. I noticed, when the hon. member for Temiscouata was speaking the other night, he had something to say for everyone in the province of Quebec except the workers of Quebec-something for the farmers, something for the businessmen, but he forgot the great working masses of Quebec.

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An hon. MEMBER:

He does not know them.

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CCF

Angus MacInnis

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. MacINNIS:

Of course he does not know them.

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IND

Jean-François Pouliot

Independent Liberal

Mr. POULIOT:

I was the only one to defend the dignity of the working man at the time of conscription, and my hon. friend was new. So were the members of his party; they were all new.

Transitional Measures Act

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CCF

Angus MacInnis

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. MacINNIS:

I would urge the government, if they are going to assume their responsibility-andi they have demonstrated that they have the administrative capacity- to demonstrate that they have social vision and to take steps to remedy this situation beifore it gets out of hand.

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CCF

Gladys Grace Mae Strum

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mrs. GLADYS STRUM (Qu'Appelle):

I felt that this debate would be incomplete, Mr. Speaker, without a few words from the only housewife in the House of Commons, although I have no faith in my ability to convince the government of the need to act. They still remain unconvinced and unrepentant in spite of all the evidence that should persuade them that this is a national emergency and that the . individual needs protection. In spite of the speeches I delivered in this house last spring in which I did my best to convince them- and I made about three or four on this matter-the government went merrily on with their program of decontrol. The Canadian housewife is now feeling the impact of the result of the decisions which the government took at that time. We are now beginning to know what it is like to live in Canada where the controls have been handed over to people whose only interest is profit. We have price control, but we have irresponsible price control, not in the interest of the Canadian family, but in the interests of the Canadian industrialist and the Canadian profit-taker.

I wish to point out to the government that when the people of this country, through their consumer associations, through their women's institutes, through their boards of trade, and through their wheat pool committees, plead with the government to reintroduce price control and subsidies, this is evidence of the fact that the Canadian people are beginning to recognize this as a method, not because they want a controlled economy, but because they realize that this is the only method which will give the results they need. So I would speak on behalf of the Canadian mother, the Canadian family and the Canadian consumer, although I have no belief that it will do any good. I believe that only elections convince the government of the need for action; and believe that these speeches are better made in the country where the people Still have the right to act. But I want to add my voice to that of the consumer associations on behalf of the Canadian family, in warning the government that this is a crisis. It is a crisis in every Canadian home. As the guardian of the safety of the Canadian people, the government dare not shirk their responsibility.

Right Hon. IAN A. MACKENZIE (Minister of Veterans Affairs): I wish to occupy

the time of the house for only one minute, Mr. Speaker. I must confess that I have been both bemused and bewildered by the last two speeches, the one delivered by the hon. member for Vancouver East (Mr. Maclnnis) and the other by the talented lady member for Qu'Appelle (Mrs. Strum). May I say that this government has worked in anxiety and agony throughout the years of the war, 'by a carefully calculated policy of controls largely directed and inspired by the former Minister of Finance (Mr. Usley) to keep the Canadian economy on a sound basis throughout the Dominion of Canada.

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CCF

George Hugh Castleden

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. CASTLEDEN:

Why now throw it all

away?

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LIB

Ian Alistair Mackenzie (Minister of Veterans Affairs; Leader of the Government in the House of Commons; Liberal Party House Leader)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE:

Who interrupts? I

want no mumblings. If there are any interruptions I want them to be made so that they can be heard.

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CCF

George Hugh Castleden

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. CASTLEDEN:

The question I should like to ask is this. We all agree with what the minister says, but we want to know why the government is throwing away tlhat good work.

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Ian Alistair Mackenzie (Minister of Veterans Affairs; Leader of the Government in the House of Commons; Liberal Party House Leader)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE:

I am indeed glad that my hon. friend agrees with that because it is incontrovertible. Just as that statement was incontrovertible, so is the policy that is now being pursued by my hon. and distinguished colleague, the Minister of Justice as he now is, in regard to price controls in Canada the safest and the sanest for the security, stability and solidarity of our Canadian nation.

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CCF

Gladys Grace Mae Strum

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mrs. STRUM:

Why drop it?

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LIB

Ian Alistair Mackenzie (Minister of Veterans Affairs; Leader of the Government in the House of Commons; Liberal Party House Leader)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE:

My sentimental friend speaks about conditions in the home. Does she think for one second that each one of us has not equally at heart the welfare of the homes of our people? I have been in parliament for thirty years-and I say that not in a boastful way-and I know of no man who has a kinder heart or kinder feelings for the plain people of our country than has Jim Il'sley, the present Minister of Justice.

What are we arguing about, sir, may I ask? Why are we delaying this issue? We are all in agreement. We all agree that this resolution should go through. It is only a matter of whether we have it until March or until November or December or some such time as suggested by the agile and alert hon. member for Winnipeg North Centre (Mr. Knowles), who always gets peculiar mathematical calculations introduced in peculiar amendments.

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CCF

Stanley Howard Knowles (Whip of the Co-operative Commonwealth Federation)

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. KNOWLES:

The Minister of Justice liked it.

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LIB

Ian Alistair Mackenzie (Minister of Veterans Affairs; Leader of the Government in the House of Commons; Liberal Party House Leader)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE:

If this is good until March, we shall be here in March-

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CCF

Stanley Howard Knowles (Whip of the Co-operative Commonwealth Federation)

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. KNOWLES:

Do not be too sure about that.

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LIB

Ian Alistair Mackenzie (Minister of Veterans Affairs; Leader of the Government in the House of Commons; Liberal Party House Leader)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE:

-and if we want it longer, I am sure the hon. member for Winnipeg North Centre will not be unvocal; I am sure the hon. member for Qu'Appelle (Mrs. Strum) will not be unsentimental; and I am sure the hon. member for Vancouver East (Mr. Maclnnis) will not be uncynical. So let us pass this thing. Let us get on with the work. Let us pass this resolution right now and let us get on with the work of this session. Let us get on to the next business,* and let us get home next Friday night, so

that hon. members can join their beautiful families in their wonderful constituencies.

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SC

Frederick Davis Shaw

Social Credit

Mr. SHAW:

Even though running the danger of incurring the wrath of the Minister of Veterans Affairs, I would ask you, Mr. Speaker, to call it eleven o'clock.

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Some hon. MEMBERS:

No.

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Frederick Davis Shaw

Social Credit

Mr. SHAW:

If I may do so, Mr. Speaker, I would ask permission to move the adjournment of the debate.

On motion of Mr. Shaw the debate was adjourned.

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At eleven o'clock the house adjourned, without question put, pursuant to standing order.


December 12, 1947