December 9, 1947

PRIVILEGE

MR. GRAYDON-REFERENCE TO PROCEEDINGS OF DECEMBER 8

PC

Gordon Graydon

Progressive Conservative

Mr. GORDON GRAYDON (Peel):

Mr. Speaker, at this time I should like to raise a question of privilege relating to the proceedings yesterday, and to say to Your Honour that if you will turn to page 22 of yesterday's Hansard, near the bottom of the second column, you will find there these words-and it is with respect to these words that I want to raise the question of privilege now:

Mr. Graydon: When you consider the point of order raised by the hon. member for Temis-couata, Mr. Speaker, will you please advise the house how you are able, under any of the rules of the house, to bring in at page 2 of the order paper a motion which appears at page 12, without the unanimous consent of the house?

I must say I was greatly concerned over that procedure. Then Your Honour said, according to Hansard:

Notices of motions standing on the order paper under the head "government notices of motions" can be moved under the head "motions" in routine proceedings on the order paper. I would ask the hon. member for Peel (Mr. Graydon) and the hon. member for Temiscouata, to turn to page 219 of Bourinot where it states:

Routine motions includes only motions relating to the business of the house.

Then you go on to say you feel that would be a sufficient answer.

My question of privilege is this. I listened to you, very carefully and intently, yesterday as you read the words:

Notices of motions standing on the order paper under the head "government notices of motions" can be moved under the head "motions" in routine proceedings on the order paper.

Those words, as we understood here, certainly as I understood them, listening very intently, were read directly from Bourinot, and when I heard the authoritative words of Bourinot, as I sat in my seat, I felt, as I usually do in the shadow of the great Bourinot, somewhat eclipsed, with the result that I then sat down and discontinued my argument. It is no reflection upon Your Honour, Mr. Speaker, if I say that I do not feel quite so

much eclipsed now, because these words apparently do not appear in Bourinot. All that appears in Bourinot is:

Routine motions includes only motions relating to the business of the house.

Obviously, unless there is something in Bourinot which actually gives this precedent, then we are entitled to some explanation of the position of both the government and Your Honour with relation to the changing of the whole program of the house, as was done yesterday, and the moving of proceedings from page 12 to page 2 without the unanimous consent of the house.

I want to raise that point because I think all members will want a clarification of it, since it goes to the very roots of our rights as members.

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Subtopic:   MR. GRAYDON-REFERENCE TO PROCEEDINGS OF DECEMBER 8
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LIB

James Horace King (Speaker of the Senate)

Liberal

Mr. SPEAKER:

I will take into consideration the remarks made by the hon. member and they will be answered in proper time.

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PC

Gordon Graydon

Progressive Conservative

Mr. GRAYDON:

Mr. Speaker, is it asking too much of you to consult the record of Hansard originally to see if those actually were the recorded words?

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FAR EASTERN COMMISSION


TABLING OF COriES OF REPORT Right Hon. L. S. ST. LAURENT (Secretary of State for External Affairs): On July 4 the hon. member for Vancouver South (Mr. Green), in the course of the debate on the estimates of the Department of External Affairs, raised several questions relating to the far east and, in particular, suggested that a report on the work of the Far Eastern commission should be made available to the Canadian public. I undertook at that time to inquire whether such a report might not be prepared, pointing out that since the negotiations which are carried on by that commission are confidential, it could only be done with the consent of all members of the commission. Upon inquiry I found that the Secretary General had prepared a report, and it was, in fact, released to the public with the consent of all the members of the commission on July 17. It was made available to all the newspapers of all the countries concerned, including Canada, but it did not get very much publicity in the Canadian papers. I received Reports and Papers



copies of it too late, of course, to table at the last session, but because of the importance of the matters involved I think it might be well to have copies available. Therefore I beg leave to table copies of the report now to July 10, 1947.


PC

Howard Charles Green

Progressive Conservative

Mr. GREEN:

May I ask the minister whether copies of the report will be distributed to the members?

Mr. ST. LAURENT: Well, we had not secured a sufficient number for distribution to hon. members, but i't is a mimeographed report and I am sure that we can obtain copies for those who may be interested in having one. I shall immediately see that one is forwarded to the hon. member for Vancouver South, and if we get requests from others I shall endeavour to make copies available to them.

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PC

Howard Charles Green

Progressive Conservative

Mr. GREEN:

Arising out of the tabling of this report will the minister give the house a statement with regard to the present position of the proposals for Japanese peace treaties? I realize that he may not be in a position to do so today, but I think it is of the utmost importance that we be given a statement of Canada's stand on that question before the house adjourns.

Mr. ST. LAURENT: I shall see what information can be given to the house at this time.

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REPORTS AND PAPERS

LIB

Walter Edward Harris (Parliamentary Assistant to the Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. W. E. HARRIS (Parliamentary Assistant to the Secretary of State for External Affairs):

Mr. Speaker, I have the honour to lay on the table of the house the following documents:

Second report of the atomic energy commission to the security council, September 11, 1947.

International agreement on North Atlantic ocean weather -stations, done in London, September 25, 1946.

Final act of the conference on German-owned patents, held in London, July 15-27, 1946.

Protocol for the dissolution of the international institute of agriculture, signed at Rome, March 30, 1946.

Protocol amending the international agreements, conventions and protocols on narcotic drugs concluded in 1912, 1925, 1931 and 1936, signed at Lake Success (New York) December 11, 1946.

Exchange of notes with Australia amending for the period August 13 to December 31, 1946,

the trade agreement between the two

countries of July 8, 1931, as regards duty on oranges imported into Canada, signed at Canberra, July 19 and August 13, 1946.

Supplementary exchange of notes with the United States of America regarding the disposal of the Canol project, signed at Ottawa, November 7 and December 30, 1946.

Exchange of notes with The Netherlands regarding compensation for war damage, signed at Ottawa, December 3 and 30, 1946.

Acts of the international whaling conference, held at Washington from November 20 to December 2, 1946.

Exchange of notes with the United States of America relating to the disposal of surplus property owned by either of the two countries, signed at Ottawa, January 9, 1947.

Report of the security council to the general assembly of the united nations covering the period from July 16, 1946 to July 15, 1947.

Report of the fifth session of the economic and social council of the united nations covering the period from October 3, 1946 to August 17, 1947.

Report of the secretary general of the united nations on the work of the organization, July 14, 1947.

Report of the united1 nations special committee on Palestine, September 3, 1947.

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LOAN TO UNITED KINGDOM, 1946 INQUIRY AS TO AMOUNTS DRAWN, BY MONTHS, TO DATE

LIB

Douglas Charles Abbott (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Hon. DOUGLAS ABBOTT (Minister of Finance):

Yesterday the leader of the

opposition asked me how much had been drawn by Britain to date, by months, on the Canadian loan granted in 1946. I now beg leave to table a statement giving this information.

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BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE

PRECEDENCE FOR GOVERNMENT BUSINESS ON AND AFTER TUESDAY, DECEMBER 9


On the order: That on and after Tuesday, the 9tli December, 1947, and every sitting day thereafter until Tuesday, the 30th December, government notices of motions and government orders shall have precedence over all other business except introduction of bills, questions by members and notices of motions for the production of papers.


LIB

William Lyon Mackenzie King (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE KING:

Stand.

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CCF

Major James William Coldwell

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. COLDWELL:

May I ask if this motion is allowed to stand how we are to proceed tomorrow? Tomorrow is private members day. I think the procedure that the house adopted yeslerday, as the hon. member for

Business oj the House

Peel (Mr. Graydon) has already pointed out, was largely accepted by hon. members under a misapprehension. I think we all understood that the statement Your Honour read to the house was from Bourinot.

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LIB

Ian Alistair Mackenzie (Minister of Veterans Affairs; Leader of the Government in the House of Commons; Liberal Party House Leader)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE:

Yes, it is.

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December 9, 1947