July 2, 1947

PC

Gordon Knapman Fraser

Progressive Conservative

Mr. FRASER:

What are the figures for this year?

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Lionel Chevrier (Minister of Transport)

Liberal

Mr. CHEVRIER:

Operation, $240,000, and maintenance, $92,000.

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Angus MacInnis

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. MacINNIS:

Does any revenue come to the government from the operation of the dideau canal? *

vlr. CHEVRIER: Yes, there is some.

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Mr. MaeINNIS: Does the minister know what it amounts to?

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Lionel Chevrier (Minister of Transport)

Liberal

Mr. CHEVRIER:

No, but I will get that in a moment.

Mr. MaeINNIS: Perhaps this question will be answered when I get the answer to the other one. What economic or commercial purpose does the canal serve?

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Lionel Chevrier (Minister of Transport)

Liberal

Mr. CHEVRIER:

It is a connecting link between the river St. Lawrence and the Ottawa river.

Mr. MaeINNIS: A connecting link for what?

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Lionel Chevrier (Minister of Transport)

Liberal

Mr. CHEVRIER:

For tourist traffic and for lighter craft using it during the season. Boats of a certain tonnage operate through it.

Mr. MaeINNIS: How many boats went through it last year?

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Lionel Chevrier (Minister of Transport)

Liberal

Mr. CHEVRIER:

My hon. friend asked about the revenue. It was $15,000. I will get the number of boats going through the canal in 1946 in a moment.

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Item agreed to. Canals servicei08. To provide for the carrying out of flow measurements and other expenses connected with the department's supervision and control oveT the hydro-electric power development of the Beauharnois Light. Heat and Power Company, Limited, $2,500.


PC

John Ritchie MacNicol

Progressive Conservative

Mr. MacNICOL:

It will be observed that the amount voted on canals is $3,577,100, and not one dollar of that is for any canal in the west. I know that the minister has an inquiring mind. I have been greatly pleased with the way in which he looks after his department. I suggest to him that between now and the next session he look into the question of the canalization of the Saskatchewan river which would be a project for some future time. It is a project that should be considered. As a preparatory inquiry into the subject by the minister I would1 suggest that he read over the speech made by the late Sir Wilfrid Laurier, his former leader, on the opening of the St. Andrew's locks when he said that he hoped to see the day when boats would leave Winnipeg and go through the St. Andrew's locks up to lake Winnipeg and on up the Saskatchewan river as far up as Edmonton. That was a great vision. The then minister of public works endorsed what the then prime minister said, and he too planned to canalize the Saskatchewan river. It is a great river but it just runs loose. There is little shipping on it at the moment, but there should be. It is important that the matter be looked into, because at the present time there are only two low-level

railway bridges across the river between the mouth at Grand rapids and' Edmonton itseilf. That is as far as I know, and I have been up and down it. There is one at The Pas and the other at Prince Albert. If the river is ever to be made navigable, as it should be, it is time to look into the matter so that navigation will not be obstructed by bridges at water level.

In my opinion the. river should be canalized1. If it were it would be one of the greatest tourist routes in the world. The river route, including lake Winnipeg, is about 1,200 miles long from Winnipeg to Edmonton. I am not just in accord with the route proposed1 in the days of the late Sir Wilfrid Laurier, namely, via ascending the river from Grand Rapids. I am not opposed to that being also provided, but I would suggest that the route from lake Winnipeg be by way of the Dauphin river, lake St. Martin, lake Manitoba, lake Winni-pegosis and' into the Saskatchewan river at Cedar lake and then on west. In his spare time when he is inquiring into what he should do as Minister of Transport for that great country, for which nothing has been done yet so far as navigation is concerned, as his estimates will show, I suggest that he inquire into the problem of the canalization of the Saskatchewan river and a water route from Winnipeg to Edmonton. It could be a profitable route. The department has ample specifications and reports on hand. The department has on its files, back to the time of the late Mr. Pugsley, the late Hon. Robert Rogers, and particularly his former leader, one of the great Canadians, none greater, the late Sir Wilfrid Laurier, reports on this project. I always refer to Sir Wilfrid Laurier's speech as a great vision. I have read the speech he made at the opening of the St. Andrew's locks and it inspired me to try to inquire into developing transportation on that great river.

As I say, there is not one dollar in the estimates for western canalization. Here is a great river the canalization of which had been planned many years ago. I am going to suggest to the young minister, not young in years but in service in the government, a minister who has an inquiring mind and, I am convinced, a desire to serve the country that, after looking into the estimates and observing nearly $4 million for eastern canals and not one dollar for western canals, he inquire himself, because he and I and everyone else down here in the east, want to invite the support of the western provinces in the seaway canalization of the St. Lawrence waterways. We want unity throughout Canada so that Canada will rally behind the proposed St. Lawrence seaway, which will merit

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the west rallying behind it, because it would be just as beneficial to them through the shipment of wheat at lower rates and other western commodities to European markets. I suggest to the minister that he keep before him the idea of the canalization of the great river with regard to which Sir Wilfrid Laurier said, in language that no other Canadian orator could use, that he could see modem ships going up and down the river from Edmonton to Winnipeg. I suggest that the minister take the matter under his own observation and consult his engineers. He will find all the facts and figures there. I myself have looked over them several times with great interest. Probably he could get a big motor boat at The Pas and go up the river himself. I have been up and down much of the river. I took a delight in surveying the Saskatchewan river. This is just a suggestion primarily to show the western people that we are trying to do something for them and to assist them in getting behind the projected St. Lawrence deep waterways.

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Charles Elwood Stephenson

Progressive Conservative

Mr. STEPHENSON:

I do not see an

item under which I can ask the question I wish to ask. I should like to refer to such places as Rice lake and lake Scugog. Weeds have grown to such an extent in these lakes that it is pretty nearly impossible to get boats in and out from the docks. What department of government will give any assistance to clean up these lakes?

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Lionel Chevrier (Minister of Transport)

Liberal

Mr. CHEYRIER:

The Department of

Transport looks after canals. The canals administration has to do with the cutting of weeds in the main channels but not outside the channel.

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Charles Elwood Stephenson

Progressive Conservative

Mr. STEPHENSON:

That is the difficulty. Will the government give assistance to assist people to cut these weeds? What department of government will give any assistance?

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LIB

Lionel Chevrier (Minister of Transport)

Liberal

Mr. CHEVRIER:

These weeds are not

growing on federal property. It is not our responsibility. If they are growing on federal property it is their responsibility. The weeds that my hon. friend refers to are not on our property.

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Charles Elwood Stephenson

Progressive Conservative

Mr. STEPHENSON:

I should like the

minister to give me some information as to where we can get some help. Is there any department of the dominion government which will give assistance in this case?

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Lionel Chevrier (Minister of Transport)

Liberal

Mr. CHEVRIER:

It is a provincial matter.

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Charles Elwood Stephenson

Progressive Conservative

Mr. STEPHENSON:

Strictly a provincial matter?

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LIB

Lionel Chevrier (Minister of Transport)

Liberal

Mr. CHEVRIER:

Yes.

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Item agreed to. Marine service- 1,15. Maintenance and repairs to wharves, $5,000.


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Robert Earle Drope

Progressive Conservative

Mr. DROPE:

This item has to do with wharves. There are a lot of wharves on Rice lake and some are in need of repair. They are really in bad condition. Nothing has been done this spring toward fixing them up. Apparently there is a small maintenance crew for this job. Our tourist season is open now and yet the wharves are in a deplorable condition in this part of the lake. Will the minister say whether they are to be repaired?

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Lionel Chevrier (Minister of Transport)

Liberal

Mr. CHEVRIER:

I am not familiar with the repairs that the hon. gentleman has in mind. If they are small repairs, repairs which would involve little expense they come under this department; otherwise they come under the Department of Public Works. If the hon. member will bring the matter to my attention I shall look into it.

The answer to the question of the hon. member for Vancouver East with reference to boats on the Rideau canal in 1946 is as follows: 135 exceeding forty feet in length and 16,382 vessels using ships' reports, including pleasure craft.

Progress reported.

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July 2, 1947