July 1, 1947

LIB

Paul Joseph James Martin (Minister of National Health and Welfare)

Liberal

Hon. PAUL MARTIN (Minister of National Health and Welfare):

Mr. Speaker, in closing the debate, I simply want to say this, and say it in a few words.

Topic:   OLD AGE PENSIONS
Subtopic:   INCREASES IN AMOUNTS AND INCOME ALLOWANCE REQUIREMENTS-MODIFICATIONS OF ELIGIBILITY
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LIB

James Horace King (Speaker of the Senate)

Liberal

Mr. SPEAKER:

I understand that the minister is closing the debate.

Topic:   OLD AGE PENSIONS
Subtopic:   INCREASES IN AMOUNTS AND INCOME ALLOWANCE REQUIREMENTS-MODIFICATIONS OF ELIGIBILITY
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PC

Grote Stirling

Progressive Conservative

Mr. STIRLING:

Is that so? Surely not on third reading.

Topic:   OLD AGE PENSIONS
Subtopic:   INCREASES IN AMOUNTS AND INCOME ALLOWANCE REQUIREMENTS-MODIFICATIONS OF ELIGIBILITY
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LIB

Paul Joseph James Martin (Minister of National Health and Welfare)

Liberal

Mr. MARTIN:

This measure is not the unimportant measure that it has been suggested to be. Some hon. members have spoken in strong language of the so-called inadequacy of the measure, but few of them have at the same time addressed themselves to what the bill does. Let me remind the house of what it does. It brings to 275,000 Canadian people improved' opportunities for better living standards. That is what it does. It gives to 60,000 aged people for the first time in their lives the opportunity of receiving an old age pension.

Topic:   OLD AGE PENSIONS
Subtopic:   INCREASES IN AMOUNTS AND INCOME ALLOWANCE REQUIREMENTS-MODIFICATIONS OF ELIGIBILITY
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LIB

Ian Alistair Mackenzie (Minister of Veterans Affairs; Leader of the Government in the House of Commons; Liberal Party House Leader)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE:

And that is what some hon. members are opposing.

' Mr. MARTIN: Hon. members may say that is not very much. When one considers that there are now 215,000, including the blind, receiving old age pensions, I think that to add 60,000 by way of an interim measure is doing something which is of fundamental importance.

Topic:   OLD AGE PENSIONS
Subtopic:   INCREASES IN AMOUNTS AND INCOME ALLOWANCE REQUIREMENTS-MODIFICATIONS OF ELIGIBILITY
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CCF

Clarence Gillis

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. GILLIS:

How long is the interim?

Topic:   OLD AGE PENSIONS
Subtopic:   INCREASES IN AMOUNTS AND INCOME ALLOWANCE REQUIREMENTS-MODIFICATIONS OF ELIGIBILITY
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LIB

James Horace King (Speaker of the Senate)

Liberal

Mr. SPEAKER:

Order.

Topic:   OLD AGE PENSIONS
Subtopic:   INCREASES IN AMOUNTS AND INCOME ALLOWANCE REQUIREMENTS-MODIFICATIONS OF ELIGIBILITY
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LIB

Paul Joseph James Martin (Minister of National Health and Welfare)

Liberal

Mr. MARTIN:

The next thing is that as a result of this measure five provinces have increased their supplemental payments. The provinces of British Columbia and Ontario have gone up, the former to $38.75 and the latter to $40 as a result of this measure.

Topic:   OLD AGE PENSIONS
Subtopic:   INCREASES IN AMOUNTS AND INCOME ALLOWANCE REQUIREMENTS-MODIFICATIONS OF ELIGIBILITY
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CCF

Percy Ellis Wright

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. WRIGHT:

Because the pension was inadequate.

Topic:   OLD AGE PENSIONS
Subtopic:   INCREASES IN AMOUNTS AND INCOME ALLOWANCE REQUIREMENTS-MODIFICATIONS OF ELIGIBILITY
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LIB

Paul Joseph James Martin (Minister of National Health and Welfare)

Liberal

Mr. MARTIN:

This bill provides, as distinguished from the bill of which it is an amending part, that any province may increase the pension up to $50 a month. I may say that if not one cent more is spent by the provinces, in the case of six of them the pension will be over $30: $38.75 in British Columbia; $33.75 in Alberta; $33.75 in Saskatchewan and S40 in Ontario. This problem is not one that comes only within the jurisdiction of the dominion government. It is a problem which is basically a provincial one.

Topic:   OLD AGE PENSIONS
Subtopic:   INCREASES IN AMOUNTS AND INCOME ALLOWANCE REQUIREMENTS-MODIFICATIONS OF ELIGIBILITY
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PC

Howard Charles Green

Progressive Conservative

Mr. GREEN:

No. The dominion should lead.

Topic:   OLD AGE PENSIONS
Subtopic:   INCREASES IN AMOUNTS AND INCOME ALLOWANCE REQUIREMENTS-MODIFICATIONS OF ELIGIBILITY
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LIB

Paul Joseph James Martin (Minister of National Health and Welfare)

Liberal

Mr. MARTIN:

It is the government's

policy to make grants in aid, reinforcing the contributions made by the provinces. There is no country in the world which has provided the liberality of means test that is provided for in this bill. All hon. members have to dlo is to look at the increase in the income limits. Today we have lowered the age at which the pensions are payable to the blind.

Mr. Speaker, as one who has spent all his life in furthering the interests of the people, and will take second place to no man in that regard in this house, I say that I am proud to have brought forward what the hon. member for Spadina (Mr. Croll) said was a progressive step, and what the hon. member for Kootenay East (Mr. Matthews), in a responsible and careful speech, referred to as a commendable measure on the part of the government. This is a progressive step. We have raised the level of pensions to the aged. This ' government was the first in the history of Canada to do that.

Topic:   OLD AGE PENSIONS
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CCF

Stanley Howard Knowles (Whip of the Co-operative Commonwealth Federation)

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. KNOWLES:

But they did it under pressure.

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LIB

James Horace King (Speaker of the Senate)

Liberal

Mr. SPEAKER:

Is it the pleasure of the house to adopt the motion?

Topic:   OLD AGE PENSIONS
Subtopic:   INCREASES IN AMOUNTS AND INCOME ALLOWANCE REQUIREMENTS-MODIFICATIONS OF ELIGIBILITY
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SC

John Horne Blackmore

Social Credit

Mr. BLACKMORE:

On division.

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Subtopic:   INCREASES IN AMOUNTS AND INCOME ALLOWANCE REQUIREMENTS-MODIFICATIONS OF ELIGIBILITY
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LIB

James Horace King (Speaker of the Senate)

Liberal

Mr. SPEAKER:

On division.

Motion agreed to on division, and bill read the third time and passed.

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VETERANS AFFAIRS

BUSINESS AND PROFESSIONAL LOANS-PROVISIONS WITH RESPECT TO PARTNERSHIPS


Right Hon. IAN A. MACKENZIE (Minister of Veterans Affairs, for Mr. Abbott) moved the second reading of Bill No. 3%, to amend the Veterans Business and Professional Loans Act. _______________Veterans Affairs



Motion agreed to, bill read the second time and the house went into committee thereon, Mr. Macdonald (Brantford City) in the chair. On section 1-"Guaranteed loan."


July 1, 1947