June 27, 1947

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Thomas John Bentley

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. BENTLEY:

If one man requires 1500 or $200 or $100 a month to live on when he retires, so does the other man. Equalizes it upwards or downwards whichever you like.

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LIB

James Lorimer Ilsley (Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada)

Liberal

Mr. ILSLEY:

Would the hon. gentleman apply that principle to the superannuation of the civil service?

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CCF

Thomas John Bentley

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. BENTLEY:

I would apply it to every single individual in Canada.

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LIB

James Lorimer Ilsley (Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada)

Liberal

Mr. ILSLEY:

The hon. gentleman would equalize all pensions?

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LIB

James Lorimer Ilsley (Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada)

Liberal

Mr. ILSLEY:

And equalize all incomes, too?

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CCF

Thomas John Bentley

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. BENTLEY:

Not necessarily, because when people are drawing an income they are earning. When they retire they get a retire-

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ment allowance and are not earning any more. But they need the same amount of money to live on.

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LIB

James Lorimer Ilsley (Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada)

Liberal

Mr. ILSLEY:

Do they not require the same amount of income to live on before they retire?

Mr. BENTLEY": Certainly they do, but I do not think the minister would consider that. My statement can stand. I will not argue further with the minister.

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Harry Rutherford Jackman

Progressive Conservative

Mr. JACKMAN:

I should like to remind the hon. member for Vancouver East that human nature as he suggests does change, and there is a modern school of psychology, of which I am not a strong supporter, which teaches that people should work for the glory of the work itself and not for the reward that is in it.

I wish to ask the minister about a matter which grieved me very much one year when the estimates of the department were before us. It had to do with men in the Royal Canadian Mounted Police who resigned from the force in order to join His Majesty's forces and take up arms overseas. When they were demobilized some of them were taken back on the strength of the force, and they found that this marriage bar of five years had to be served anew, or perhaps the time they had served with the force before going on active service overseas was taken into account too. In any event, the time during which they served in the armed services did not count in the five years. What I should like to ask is: How many men who were in the R.C.M.P. before the war resigned, and after active service are again members of the R.C.M.P. and are single? The minister knows what I am getting at. If there is an easier way to answer it, it will suit me just as well.

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LIB

James Lorimer Ilsley (Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada)

Liberal

Mr. ILSLEY:

Ninety-eight have come

back to the force. I have not the figures as to whether they are single or how many are single.

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Harry Rutherford Jackman

Progressive Conservative

Mr. JACKMAN:

We have a different minister in charge of this department now, and I wonder whether he would give consideration to the fact that the discipline of the force in the eyes of the chief of it required that men stay in the R.C.M.P. rather than resign, as I understood it, to enlist in the active service. It was what I would term iron discipline. It may have been necessary; but it seems to me that if discipline as strong as that is to be exercised, then one does not deserve very much credit for the result. Will the minister give consideration to the fact that men did not get permission to have leave of absence to go

on active service, resigned to enter the armed services and have come back? Will he give consideration to their being permitted to count the time when they were on active service as part of their five-year marriage limitation?

Mr. ILSLEY": I will discuss that matter with the commissioner.

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Eric Bowness McKay

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. McKAY:

Will the minister give the present strength of the force, its distribution, and whether or not the present strength is greater now than it was in 1946?

Mr. ILSLEY": The present uniformed

strength of the force is 2,490. The second question was whether it had increased during the past year and by how much?

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Eric Bowness McKay

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. McKAY:

Or decreased?

Mr. ILSLEY': There has been an increase of roughly 500 during the past year.

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George Russell Boucher

Progressive Conservative

Mr. BOUCHER:

On this item I should like to say a few words. I do not see any other item more appropriate than this one on which to make these remarks. I think I should say a few words of commendation on a certain activity which the mounted police are giving to my personal knowledge. I refer to the courses they are giving by having a constable and various officers speak to the youth of our community, explaining to them the relationship of the police to the public at large. During the last year or so, and particularly during the celebration of the citizenship presentation and explanation, I have had the experience of having a member of the mounted police talk to the youth in the various schools and explain to them the relationship of the police to public maintenance of justice and order and in that way gain the confidence of the youth in the mounted police. It is my frank opinion that one of the greatest things to foster a proper understanding of the administration of justice and confidence in the law of the land is a thorough understanding by our youth of the role of the police in the community, and to understand that the policeman is the protector and the friend of their rights.

On several occasions I have listened to a lecture given by one of the mounted police, and I refer to him particularly, although I believe others deserve commendation as well. I refer to Corporal Ade of this community, who has gone from place to place explaining to the youth the role of the police in the community. I believe that the educational work of the R.C.M.P., who are held in great esteem by the youth of our country, is of the highest order. Having been interested in that

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work, I took the liberty of asking the mounted police to give me particulars of their programme in that regard and was very glad to receive it. I studied it thoroughly. I say to the Minister of Justice that this work can be carried on extensively to the benefit of our community, and it is one of the best ways of maintaining a law-abiding state and having our youth understand that the policeman is a friend and not an enemy; that justice is something to be sought for, not something to be despised. I say to the commissioner and to the Minister of Justice the people of Canada owe a debt of gratitude to the R.C.M.P. for their action in that regard. I would ask the minister to lend all the encouragement, that he can to that particular work.

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Angus MacInnis

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. MacINNIS:

A member of this group would like to say something on this item. I would ask the minister if he will allow it to stand, although I will not press the request.

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LIB

James Lorimer Ilsley (Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada)

Liberal

Mr. ILSLEY:

All right.

Item stands.

Progress reported.

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At eleven o'clock the house adjourned, without question put, pursuant to standing order. Monday, June 30, 1947


June 27, 1947