June 27, 1947

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Norman Jaques

Social Credit

Mr. JAQUES:

I do not know that, but I know that the Department of Public Works under the minister's predecessor built the pier just before the war, and so far as I know, no repairs have since been made to it. As a consequence, the pier is in very bad

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shape. It cost in the neighbourhood of $15,000, if I remember rightly. Pigeon lake is the main pleasure resort south of Edmonton and the pier is of great use to thousands of visitors.

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Alphonse Fournier (Minister of Public Works)

Liberal

Mr. FOURNIER (Hull):

I will send out an engineer and have a report made. If it is one of our constructions we shall try to keep it in a good state of repair.

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Item agreed to. Engineering branch-construction, repairs and improvements-harbours and rivers-'British Columbia and Yukon- 327. Alert Bay-breakwater (revote $30,000), $30,000. Bella Bella-wharf renewal (revote), $34,000. Bella Coola-wharf replacement (revote $94,300), $146,000. Campbell river-wharf repairs, $35,000. Columbia river-protection work, $24,000. Davis bay wharf repairs and improvements (revote), $16,000. Fraser river-improvements (revote), $175,000. Fraser river-protection work on Lulu and Sea islands (revote $23,000), $28,000. Fraser river-reconstruction of North Arm jetty (revote $1115,000), $120,000. Gibson's Landing-wharf reconstruction (revote $50,000), $65,000. Harbours and rivers generally-for maintenance of services, no new works to be undertaken, $325,000. Nanaimo-harbour improvements (revote $60,000), $63,000. Nanaimo-wharf repairs and improvements (revote), $18,000. Penticton-breakwater replacement, $16,500. Port Alberni-harbour improvements (revote $123,000), $185,000. Prince Rupert-construction, and renewal of fishermen's floats-(revote $22,000), $62,000. Prince Rupert (Digby island), wharf repairs -i(revote), '$18,000. Queen Charlotte City-wharf repairs and extension (revote $16,000), $18,000. Sidney-reconstruction of approach and repairs to ferry slip, $38,000 . iSteveston No. 2 road-wharfage facilities (revote), $16,000. iStewart-wharf repairs (revote), $32,000. Ucluelet West-wharf improvements-'(revote $8,500), $11,000. Vananda-wharf extension, freight shed and repairs (revote '$7,500), $8,500. Victoria-towards dredging-(revote), $100,000. Victoria-fishing harbourage (revote $67,000),



Westview-replacing fishing harbourage-(revote $305,000), $316,000.


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George Randolph Pearkes

Progressive Conservative

Mr. PEARKES:

Regarding the item for the reconstruction of approach and repairs to the ferry slip at Sidney, I would urge on the minister the necessity of having this work done at the earliest possible opportunity. The amount of traffic coming into that port has been growing considerably every year. It

takes away from the congestion of the facilities at Victoria. The urgency of a work has been emphasized, not only by the Sidney board of trade, but also by the board of trade at Victoria. There are ferry services coming from the state of Washington and from the mainland of British Columbia where it is the shortest sea journey between the island of Vancouver and the mainland of the province. There is communication between Sidney and all the gulf islands, so that there are ships coming in continually with farmers' produce and other supplies. There are hundreds of cars moved over that approach every week during the summer season. For a long time notices have been put up that this approach is unsafe or is to be used only at the owner's risk, owing to the state of disrepair into which it has fallen. The fact that the great terminal of the T.C.A. is only a mile away at Patricia Bay enhances the importance of this particular port. Furthermore, the port services are putting on new and better facilities this year, with the result that the traffic will still be increased, and it is imperative, before the height of the tourist season comes, that something Should be done to repair this particular approach.

I should also like to say that, in order that this work may be of a permanent nature and not have to be repaired every year, it would be most desirable to construct a breakwater just to the south of where the ferry approach now is. That has been given consideration for a number of years, but new suggestions have been made as to the type of breakwater which would make this repair work permanent. I would urge the minister to have this situation reviewed during the coming year, with the idea of seeing whether it would not be possible to erect a breakwater just south of where the ferry approach now is, in order to make permanent the work which he is now putting in, work which is absolutely essential for that growing community.

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John Lambert Gibson

Independent Liberal

Mr. GIBSON (Comox-Alberni):

I should

like to say a few words to the minister with regard to British Columbia generally. Probably the committee has heard quite a lot about that province, but I think it is about time that the public works department and other departments of government got a new appreciation of the way in which British Columbia has been growing in the past ten years and particularly since the war. The growth of the population in that province is acknowledged to be the greatest of any part of Canada. As a matter of fact we have not been in such close contact with the federal government through the medium of the public works department and other public services for as many years as some

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of the other provinces. A lot of the work in the construction of piers and breakwaters and that type of thing went on in the maritime provinces, in Ontario and in Quebec many years ago. I say to my hon. friends from the maritimes that I do not begrudge them one dollar that they have received in the past. I do not think they have had enough.

However I wish to point out to the minister that Vancouver island particularly, of which the hon. member for Nanaimo and the hon. member for Victoria have spoken, is one of the places that has developed most rapidly. I could point out to him the necessity of many public works. We are now beyond the item where we are discussing post offices. I am sure that all throughout my riding- and this applies equally to the whole of Vancouver island-the growth of population is such that it is almost a public disgrace what they have to put up with in the line of post office accommodation. So far as breakwaters are concerned, we are in most difficult circumstances.

There is one particular item that I should like to mention. I have discussed it with the minister. I refer to the question of a breakwater for Campbell River. He has heard about that. I would also point out to him the request of the board of trade of Qualicum and the board of trade of Tofino. I am hoping that an item will be placed in the supplementary estimates to give some kind of protection to the wharf at Forde's cove on Hornby island. Actually the difficulty is that every winter they have to move the floats, or else they will wash out.

I notice that there is an item in the estimates for wharf extension at Vananda. There is a revote of $7,500. This is one of the places which has had very rapid development, both in logging and in the operations of the Pioneer Gold Mines. They are carrying on a very large development. The Pioneer Gold Mines have spent $300,000, and their request has been for a more substantial dock over which they could take some of their heavy machinery. They require this improvement to land machinery in order to put in a mill on the property. This year the sum of $8,500 is being appropriated, of which $7,500 is a revote. This will provide, I imagine, a new deck or a few new piles for that dock.

I am hopeful that the requirements of this port will be looked after, so that the residents will have more adequate facilities.

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Herbert Wilfred Herridge

Independent C.C.F.

Mr. HERRIDGE:

I want to express the

appreciation of some of my constituents in the outlying areas for what has been done with regard to wharf repairs in the past years. One or two new floats have been built. We appreciate the policy of the government in

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assisting the people who have located in these out-of-the-way places. We have a number of people whose only means of transportation is by steamer, and they very much appreciate money being spent to assist people in these out-of-the-way places. I think everything possible should be done to encourage these people who are willing to go into the backwoods to make a living. At the same time I wish to express the appreciation of the people for what is being done by the minister for these settlers. During the past year much of the work could not be done because of the shortage of labour and material. We know that your officials did attempt to secure the materials, and that they were partly successful and finally were abie to build the few structures which were erected during the past year.

I want to draw particularly to the minister's attention the urgent necessity for wharves at three or four places. The first I would mention is that of Trail. During recent years there has been an increase in tourist traffic. I think the minister has some knowledge of this. Many tourists come up from the United States by boat and go into the Arrow lakes. One needs to remember that the city of Trail has an annual production of some $60 million, which adds greatly to the revenue of this country. The municipality, the board of trade, the com-merical organizations and all the industries served there are anxious to have some structure erected, so that boats can land in coming up the river. I know a good deal about this, although I am not an engineer. I know the department might hesitate to spend a great deal of money on a structure because of the possibility of developments in the river in the near future, but I suggest that a float could be built which would serve the purpose at Trail for a, few years, and later it could, be towed up the river and into the lake and used as a floating wharf where replacement was necessary at one of the smaller points. I offer the suggestion to the minister.

Then there is a wharf required, in Lardeau, the entrance to the Lardeau valley. Since the early days there has been a very narrow wharf, about ten feet wide. It was erected originally by the Canadian Pacific Railway Company and is now in a state of disrepair or decay. Large quantities of lumbering machinery, mining machinery, heavy materials, groceries and so on move over this wharf. They have to be dumped out on this wharf and carted out by hand some distance over the ground to the road. These people who use the wharf are developing this country. I urge the minister and his officials to give consideration to the needs of these people.

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I also hope the minister will consider the requirements of the city of Nelson. I do not know what arrangements are being made, but he knows the situation well. There is a demand there for some improvement in the wharf facilities; a new structure is urgently required.

One final plea. I wish to refer to the question of a very small wharf or float that is required, by the small settlement of Dean's Haven. This is a small Veterans Land Act settlement consisting of twenty-five or thirty people. These men have offered to do the work on these wharves for a minimum of expenditure, and. I think the department should be a.s generous as possible to them, seeing that they have gone into the backwoods in an attempt to establish homes for themselves and to develop a small lumber industry. I am interested in noting in the estimates an item of $24,000 for protection work on the Columbia river. Where is that, work to be done?

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Grote Stirling

Progressive Conservative

Mr. STIRLING:

Can the minister say what, progress has been made in implementing the report of the joint engineers on the Okanagan flood control? I am not going to make a speech on the subject, although there is plenty of material. The minister will recall that a joint committee of engineers of the dominion and provincial governments was set up in 1943 and duly reported, making its recommendations. This came about after public meetings and public hearings and after a considerable amount, of damage had been done to 100 miles of the lower Okanagan valley as a consequence of the flooding of Okanagan lake. The dominion government is interested in the matter because of the navigability of the water and because, for many years it has operated the control work at the south end of the lake. That control work is inadequate for its purpose, and the tortuous course of the Okanagan river makes it impossible for the flood water to be carried off safely. The municipalities and everyone in the district were extremely interested when this joint committee was set up, but now we want to know what progress will be made with the acceptance or otherwise of the recommendations in the report. I hope the minister will be able to tell me that, meetings will be held between him and the provincial government for the purpose of deciding what will be done.

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Alphonse Fournier (Minister of Public Works)

Liberal

Mr. FOURNIER (Hull):

In 1943 a joint committee or commission did make a report. At the time I looked over the report, and it is quite a project, involving a considerable amount. The last I heard was that they want us to appoint, without committing the government, someone from the department or the government to continue discussions on the feasibility of an agreement to be made between the British Columbia government and these people. I understand that we shall be sending our representative the moment we hear from them. As a matter of fact, the date was fixed, but the three parties could no come together at the same time. I has-been fixed now for September of this year when the representatives of the three sides will meet.

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Grote Stirling

Progressive Conservative

Mr. STIRLING:

Will the minister be good enough to follow this matter up? It is a question affecting a difficulty that has been apparent for many years, and at last, when the committee reports that there is something tangible to lay hold of, I would ask the minister to see to it that, the representative of the dominion meets with the province for the purpose of coming to a conclusion.

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Alphonse Fournier (Minister of Public Works)

Liberal

Mr. FOURNIER (Hull):

I will attend to that myself.

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Harry Grenfell Archibald

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. ARCHIBALD:

Has the minister anything to say with regard to the completion of the road between Jasper and Prince George?

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Alphonse Fournier (Minister of Public Works)

Liberal

Mr. FOURNIER (Hull):

That comes under the Department of Mines and Resources.

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Herbert Wilfred Herridge

Independent C.C.F.

Mr. HERRIDGE:

Can the minister answer the question I asked him?

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Alphonse Fournier (Minister of Public Works)

Liberal

Mr. FOURNIER (Hull):

My officials will take a note of every request made by the hon. gentlemen. I did not get every name he mentioned, but the moment a request is made our engineers make a note of it. They will look into the different projects and report upon the necessity for those that are new; and, as regards maintenance or repairs, we shall see that they are done.

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Item agreed to. Engineering branch-construction, repairs and improvements-harbours and rivers-generally- 328. Protection works generally-to provide for remedial works where damages are caused by or endanger navigation or federal government structures, $100,000.


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Winfield Chester Scott McLure

Progressive Conservative

Mr. McLURE:

This is for protection of

government property generally across Canada. Under this vote last year, the people in my district, known as the harbour district, applied for protection to their own property and, also to the lighthouse at North Rustico. I thought the protection vote would give them the opportunity this year, because in case of a storm they are likely to lose the whole of that protection where there is the greatest fishing station on Prince Edward Island. Last

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year the Department of Public Works began an experiment for protection, and it is all satisfactory while there are no 'great storms, but when there was a fairly heavy storm it was swept away. The people are looking to the Department of Public Works this year to get the protection they desire for their fishing property and also for the lighthouse.

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Georges-Henri Héon

Independent Progressive Conservative

Mr. HEON:

Would the hon. minister tell us, in French, what he intends to do in view of the floods that have taken place this year and which, apparently, changed the whole problem of protection? Am I to understand that this sum of $100,000 is the final amount?

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June 27, 1947