August 24, 1946

PC

Alan Cockeram

Progressive Conservative

Mr. COCKERAM:

I think I brought this question up before: Will the minister consider the payment of gallantry awards to the

men of the first war who won the military medal? There is an allowance for personnel who won the military medal in the last war.

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LIB

Ian Alistair Mackenzie (Minister of Veterans Affairs; Leader of the Government in the House of Commons; Liberal Party House Leader)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE:

Was that for Canadians or for imperials?

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LIB

Walter Adam Tucker (Parliamentary Assistant to the Minister of Veterans Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. TUCKER:

As the hon. member knows, the imperial government paid these awards in regard to the first great war, and when we assumed the obligation to pay it to Canadians who participated in this war, of course immediately the question arose, should we not pay holders of the military medal in respect of the first war the same as we are paying those who won it in the last war. Of course we never assumed any obligation to pay any of the gallantry awards of the first great war; so the question arises whether we should make this principle retroactive to the first great war. That is of course a new principle. We have done some other things: for example, clothing allowance has been increased very considerably; the claim is that it should be made retroactive, and that arises in all these things. Representations have come in, but our committee did not make any recommendation on the matter. Of course if very strong representations are made the matter will, I suppose, receive consideration.

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Agar Rodney Adamson

Progressive Conservative

Mr. ADAMSON:

Do I understand that the United Kingdom pays a gallantry award to winners of the military medal whereas the Canadian government did not in the last war?

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LIB

Ian Alistair Mackenzie (Minister of Veterans Affairs; Leader of the Government in the House of Commons; Liberal Party House Leader)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE:

Oh, no.

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LIB

Walter Adam Tucker (Parliamentary Assistant to the Minister of Veterans Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. TUCKER:

As a matter of fact the situation is that there was no gallantry award paid in respect of military medal awards in the first great war. Now a policy has been adopted in England and here to pay it in regard to this war. But as soon as we said we would pay it in regard to this war and assumed it as a Canadian obligation, some people suggested that if we recognized that there should be some monetary award in respect of the military medal in this war we should pay it in regard to the last war. That obligation has not been recognized in other parts of the empire, and if we paid it here there would probably be certain pressure in other parts of the empire to do the same thing. I think it would be a matter for some kind of common agreement.

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Agar Rodney Adamson

Progressive Conservative

Mr. ADAMSON:

On what basis are these paid?

Supply-Veterans Affairs

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LIB

Ian Alistair Mackenzie (Minister of Veterans Affairs; Leader of the Government in the House of Commons; Liberal Party House Leader)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE:

They were all placed on the record about ten days ago, when the main estimates of the Department of Veterans Affairs were under consideration by the house. I have not before me the page number of Hansard.

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Item agreed to. Soldier Settlement and Veteran's Land Act- 901. To provide for payment of grants to veterans settled on provincial lands, in accordance with agreements with provincial governments under section 35 of the Veterans Land Act, 1942, and payment of grants to veterans settled on dominion lands, in accordance with an agreement with the Minister of Mines and Resources, under section 35 of the Veterans Land Act, 1942, as amended (P.C. 1550 of 18th April, 1946) and item 466 of the main estimates- further amount required, $.1.


IND

Herbert Wilfred Herridge

Independent C.C.F.

Mr. HERRIDGE:

This item provides for payment of grants to veterans settled on provincial lands, $1. That would indicate a somewhat limited programme. I should like an explanation.

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Ian Alistair Mackenzie (Minister of Veterans Affairs; Leader of the Government in the House of Commons; Liberal Party House Leader)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE:

I can assure my hon. friend that it is only a change in the wording of the vote to make it possible for us to go ahead with a development with which he himself is very' familiar.

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Eric Bowness McKay

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. McKAY:

With what provinces have agreements been arranged?

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Ian Alistair Mackenzie (Minister of Veterans Affairs; Leader of the Government in the House of Commons; Liberal Party House Leader)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE:

With Manitoba, Saskatchewan, Alberta and British Columbia.

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Item agreed to. Soldier Settlement and Veterans Land Act- 902. To provide for purchase of land and improvements; cost of permanent improvements to be effected; removal of encumbrances; stock and equipment; refunds of surplus to veterans (section 19); and for protection of security under the Veterans Land Act-further amount required, $10,000,000.


CCF

George Hugh Castleden

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. CASTLEDEN:

There seems to be a change here. The total amount in the main estimates was $13,000,000, and now we have supplementaries for $10,000,000. For 1945-46 it was $5,000,000; in the main estimates it is increased to $13,000,000-one would imagine the department would have a fairly good idea of its requirements-and then there is a request for $10,000,000 in the supplementaries. What is the reason for this eighty per cent increase?

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Walter Adam Tucker (Parliamentary Assistant to the Minister of Veterans Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. TUCKER:

There is $72,000,000 in the main estimates, and this work is proceeding more expeditiously, a greater number of applications being put through

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LIB

Ian Alistair Mackenzie (Minister of Veterans Affairs; Leader of the Government in the House of Commons; Liberal Party House Leader)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE:

It is $82,000,000, including the main and the supplementaries.

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August 24, 1946