June 27, 1946


Section agreed to. Sections 2 to 5 inclusive agreed to. On section 6-Quality mark.


PC

Agar Rodney Adamson

Progressive Conservative

Mr. ADAMSON:

I understand that by this section the minister is doing away with the English or heretofore commonly known marking by carats, and is ordering a substitution in the nature of a decimal fineness. In other words under this bill one will be able to refer to gold as 'having so many carats or so much fineness. I see nothing in the bill which states that when, for instance, a metal is marked -6S0 of fineness a statement shall be made as to the other metals in the alloy. This point may or may not be important, but I believe the committee would like further information as to why these changes are being made.

Topic:   PRECIOUS METALS MARKING
Subtopic:   REPEAL OF ACT-CONSOLIDATION OF STATUTORY PROVISIONS
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LIB

James Angus MacKinnon (Minister of Trade and Commerce)

Liberal

Mr. MacKINNON:

An officer from the

department will be here in a moment, or two, at which time I shall be in a better position to answer the question. Perhaps the section might stand, so that we could return to it.

Topic:   PRECIOUS METALS MARKING
Subtopic:   REPEAL OF ACT-CONSOLIDATION OF STATUTORY PROVISIONS
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PC

Grote Stirling

Progressive Conservative

Mr. STIRLING:

Speaking to this section, *will the minister explain what is now required on silver articles manufactured in Canada? They are not covered, by the United Kingdom gold mark. What does Canada require to designate the pureness of silver?

Topic:   PRECIOUS METALS MARKING
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LIB

James Angus MacKinnon (Minister of Trade and Commerce)

Liberal

Mr. MacKINNON:

This is a change in our act to conform with international usage, and with the system that has been in practice in England. I am informed that the silver marking is exactly the same as that used internationally, showing pure silver to the extent of 925/1000t.hs.

Topic:   PRECIOUS METALS MARKING
Subtopic:   REPEAL OF ACT-CONSOLIDATION OF STATUTORY PROVISIONS
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PC

Grote Stirling

Progressive Conservative

Mr. STIRLING:

What mark on a piece of silver would designate that?

Topic:   PRECIOUS METALS MARKING
Subtopic:   REPEAL OF ACT-CONSOLIDATION OF STATUTORY PROVISIONS
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LIB

James Angus MacKinnon (Minister of Trade and Commerce)

Liberal

Mr. MacKINNON:

The mark would be the wrord "sterling," or the words "sterling silver," or the wrord "silver". It is to protect these markings that this legislation has been introduced.

Topic:   PRECIOUS METALS MARKING
Subtopic:   REPEAL OF ACT-CONSOLIDATION OF STATUTORY PROVISIONS
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PC

Wilfrid Garfield Case

Progressive Conservative

Mr. CASE:

Is this legislation intended to make the markings now used more readily understood? Why is the previous method of marking in carats being departed from?

Topic:   PRECIOUS METALS MARKING
Subtopic:   REPEAL OF ACT-CONSOLIDATION OF STATUTORY PROVISIONS
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LIB

James Angus MacKinnon (Minister of Trade and Commerce)

Liberal

Mr. MacKINNON:

We are not getting

away from the carat marking system. The explanation I have just given shows that the marking designates the actual silver or gold content.

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PC

Grote Stirling

Progressive Conservative

Mr. STIRLING:

Is a mark required on a plated article?

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LIB

James Angus MacKinnon (Minister of Trade and Commerce)

Liberal

Mr. MacKINNON:

That is permissible,

not compulsory.

Topic:   PRECIOUS METALS MARKING
Subtopic:   REPEAL OF ACT-CONSOLIDATION OF STATUTORY PROVISIONS
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PC

Agar Rodney Adamson

Progressive Conservative

Mr. ADAMSON:

Under the act as it now reads, nothing under nine carats can be designated as gold.

Topic:   PRECIOUS METALS MARKING
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LIB

James Angus MacKinnon (Minister of Trade and Commerce)

Liberal

Mr. MacKINNON:

That is correct.

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PC

Agar Rodney Adamson

Progressive Conservative

Mr. ADAMSON:

That is now in the bill.

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LIB

James Angus MacKinnon (Minister of Trade and Commerce)

Liberal

Mr. MacKINNON:

I am told that is not new.

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Section agreed to. Section 7 agreed to. On section 8-Marking silver articles.


PC

Agar Rodney Adamson

Progressive Conservative

Mr. ADAMSON:

I suggest that it might be advisable to provide for a date along with the Canadian national marking of a lion's head surrounded by the letter "C". We are endeavouring to establish a silversmith's industry and have gone quite a wray in that direction. Silver gains in value as it ages. Georgian silver is much more valuable than Victorian silver, and I suggest that it would be advisable particularly on flatware and other silver household articles, to have near the "C" a date mark, which could be changed slightly every five or ten years.

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LIB

James Angus MacKinnon (Minister of Trade and Commerce)

Liberal

Mr. MacKINNON:

I have just discussed the point raised by the hon. member for York West, and I am told that his suggestion is an interesting one and w'as given consideration by the department just prior to the war, and was again considered when these amendments were under consideration. I should like to have the departmental officials go into the matter a little further.

Precious Metals Marking

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PC

Grote Stirling

Progressive Conservative

Mr. STIRLING:

Subsection 3 reads in

part:

-there may be applied to the article a national mark authorized under licence . . .

Is this system to be adopted so that in future will these articles be marked with a lion's head?

Topic:   PRECIOUS METALS MARKING
Subtopic:   REPEAL OF ACT-CONSOLIDATION OF STATUTORY PROVISIONS
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LIB

James Angus MacKinnon (Minister of Trade and Commerce)

Liberal

Mr. MacKINNON:

This has always been optional, as is indicated by the words "may be".

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Subtopic:   REPEAL OF ACT-CONSOLIDATION OF STATUTORY PROVISIONS
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June 27, 1946