May 3, 1946

IND

John Lambert Gibson

Independent Liberal

Mr. GIBSON (Comox-Alberni):

I was surprised and gratified to hear what the Secretary of State said in regard to the amendment to section 45 and, since he has allowed it to stand, we can examine it more carefully. It has not been carried?

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LIB

Paul Joseph James Martin (Secretary of State of Canada)

Liberal

Mr. MARTIN:

No.

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IND

John Lambert Gibson

Independent Liberal

Mr. GIBSON (Comox-Alberni):

To assist the minister with the two clauses that he has allowed to stand, 16 and 17, I should like to move the following clause to be added to section 46. It would be subsection 3:

Notwithstanding any other provisions of this act, for a period of twenty years from the proclamation thereof, no person of Japanese ancestry, whether natural born, naturalized or Japanese alien, shall be allowed to reside in that section of British Columbia presently known as the coastal security zone.

I hear some hon. members say that the amendment is out of order. -

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PC

Edmund Davie Fulton

Progressive Conservative

Mr. FULTON:

Pay no attention.

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IND

John Lambert Gibson

Independent Liberal

Mr. GIBSON (Comox-Alberni):

I feel that should the government be unwilling to accept this proposal I would be justified in believing that they never had any intention of trying to carry out the. undertaking which I believe the Minister of Veterans Affairs made in good faith in the recent election in British Columbia and that his colleagues have not supported him in his sincere and honest statement that no Japanese would be allowed from the Rockies to the sea in British Columbia and

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CCF

Angus MacInnis

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. MacINNIS:

Mr. Chairman, I submit that the amendment should be read to the committee before it is debated. We cannot discuss the amendment until it is before the committee.

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LIB

William Henry Golding

Liberal

The ACTING CHAIRMAN (Mr. Golding):

There is an amendment before the committee.

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PC

Howard Charles Green

Progressive Conservative

Mr. GREEN:

Not to this section.

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LIB

William Henry Golding

Liberal

The ACTING CHAIRMAN (Mr. Golding):

I shall read the amendment as proposed by the hon. member. Mr. Gibson moves that:

Notwithstanding any other provisions of this act, for a period of twenty years from the proclamation thereof, no person of Japanese ancestry, whether natural-born, naturalized or Japanese alien, shall be allowed to reside in that section of British Columbia presently known as the coastal security zone.

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CCF

Angus MacInnis

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. MacINNIS:

Would the Chairman give an opinion now as to whether or not the amendment is in order? My opinion is that the amendment cannot be in order; that it is not related in any way to naturalization or to any provision of this bill, and consequently it must be out of order.

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LIB

James Sinclair

Liberal

Mr. SINCLAIR (Vancouver North):

May I be permitted to speak on the point of order? The explanatory note of section 46 is "saving". I understand that earlier in the debate the hon. member for New Westminster raised the case of a natural-born Canadian of Japanese ancestry who announced that he had no faith in Canada; that his patriotism was to Japan.

Yet he could return to this country and assume the full rights of a Canadian citizen because, as the Secretary of State pointed out, there is no place to which to deport him since he was a natural-born Canadian. On the other hand, this saving section, 46, has an association with these orders in council passed last fall which put certain restrictions on people who were natural-born Canadians and naturalized Canadians. There was a further order in council passed dealing with certain Canadians, which restricted them from living in the coastal zone. That was passed in 1942. I followed the Secretary of State's argument and explanation as carefully as I could, and with what knowledge of the English language I have, it sounded like double talk to me. Along with this saving section, 46, there should certainly be such a provision as this amendment to support, as the hon. member for Comox-Alberni says, the promises made by the Minister of Veterans Affairs, the only minister from British Columbia in the government. He promised that the Japanese would not return to the coastal zone. At the present time there is an order in council which says that, but we want to go farther than that since the provisions of this bill give full Canadiap rights to natural-born Japanese.

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LIB

Paul Joseph James Martin (Secretary of State of Canada)

Liberal

Mr. MARTIN:

The amendment is not an easy one; neither is the subject itself. I am sure that if the hon. gentleman will give it the great consideration which I know he will, he will see that it refers inter alia to the three orders. I want to suggest to my very good friend, the hon. member for Comox-Alberni, who is one of the most diligent members in this house, that this bill is a measure dealing with nationality, citizenship and status of aliens. I would suggest to him that the amendment as offered certainly has no place in this bill. I do not know whether it is out of order or not, but I would certainly suggest to the hon. member that it is so clearly irrelevant that I would not think he would require much more persuasion to withdraw the amendment.

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IND

John Lambert Gibson

Independent Liberal

Mr. GIBSON (Comox-Alberni):

I dislike not reacting properly to the kindly words that the Secretary of State has applied to. me. It makes me feel very humble. However, with my very great lack of parliamentary experience I must say that I have been looking for quite some time for an opportunity to see what the government intended to do with regard to the Japanese on the coast. I know the Minister of Veterans Affairs is particularly concerned with how he is going to keep the promise he made that assisted him in garnering the support of his colleagues to the propo-

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sition which he sold to the people of British Columbia, certainly to Vancouver Centre. I think this is a marvellous opportunity for the government of Canada to give tangible evidence to the people of British Columbia of their good faith in the last election. It just occurs to me that this is the only opportunity they have yet had to carry out that promise.

I know that British Columbia members have been bringing up this matter in the house for many years. The man whom I have the honour to succeed took this matter up faithfully for twenty-five years, and we can look around the house and see many hon. members from British Columbia who have been carrying on yeoman service in this regard despite, shall I say, the handicap of having to put up with the anti-Canadian resolutions of the hon. member for Vancouver East.

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CCF

Angus MacInnis

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. MacINNIS:

They did not vote exclusion when I gave them the chance; they voted against it.

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IND

John Lambert Gibson

Independent Liberal

Mr. GIBSON (Comox-Alberni):

The people of Vancouver East are not very well informed-

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CCF

Angus MacInnis

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. MacINNIS:

Let the hon. member tell that .to the people of Vancouver.

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IND

John Lambert Gibson

Independent Liberal

Mr. GIBSON (Comox-Alberni):

I believe this is an opportunity for the members of the house to listen to what has been told them for the past forty years by the members from British Columbia. In days gone by we did not have the C.C.F. party. It used to be unanimous out there, but it would appear to me our people have fallen into the ways of error. I would not advise this house to listen too carefully to the five members who represent the C.C.F. party here with regard to what has been going on.

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LIB

William Henry Golding

Liberal

The ACTING CHAIRMAN (Mr. Golding):

Is the hon. member speaking to the point of order?

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IND

John Lambert Gibson

Independent Liberal

Mr. GIBSON (Comox-Alberni):

A point of order was raised. We have to deal with that.

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PC

Howard Charles Green

Progressive Conservative

Mr. GREEN:

On the point of order, may I point out that in other sections of this bill reference is made to rights and obligations. For example, in section 27 there is a reference to the rights of the Canadian citizen other than a natural-born citizen. In section 29 there is a reference to the rights of aliens. I submit that the amendment which has been offered by the hon. member for Comox-Alberni deals with rights and is entirely in order.

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May 3, 1946