December 13, 1945

PC

John George Diefenbaker

Progressive Conservative

Mr. DIEFENBAKER:

During recent

months have there been a large number of applications for discharge by purchase from recruits who joined during war time? What is 47696-219

the position to-day, generally, as far as the Royal Canadian Mounted Police is concerned? Does the minister intend to expand the numbers in order to meet the current crime wave, and what is the shortage that is to be filled by men coming back from overseas?

Mr. ST. LAURENT: The strength is now about 200 below establishment, and it may be necessary to increase the establishment for the development of this coast service, and of the air service contemplated.

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Alfred Johnson Brooks

Progressive Conservative

Mr. BROOKS:

What is the establishment?

Mr. ST. LAURENT: It is 2,500.

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John George Diefenbaker

Progressive Conservative

Mr. DIEFENBAKER:

Is it a fact that there have been quite a large number of applications for discharge by purchase by recruits who joined during the war? I speak particularly about the western provinces. I understand that this is causing a serious situation.

Mr. ST. LAURENT: The commissioner informs me that there has been no greater than average number of applications for discharge by purchase.

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John George Diefenbaker

Progressive Conservative

Mr. DIEFENBAKER:

How many have there been since V-E day?

Mr. ST. LAURENT: I shall have to get that information, but the commissioner tells me that it has not been larger than average.

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PC

Agar Rodney Adamson

Progressive Conservative

Mr. ADAMSON:

May I speak to a question which I have discussed before? There are large numbers of these highly trained and specially skilled men doing guard duty in dominion government buildings. When I raised the point at the last session the minister said that some consideration might be given to having the guards for dominion government buildings arranged through some service other than from among the highly skilled members of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police. Inasmuch as the force is small, and as the Royal Canadian Mounted Police has tremendous responsibilities, I am wondering whether the minister might consider that some other force could be given the job, one which, while probably not ceremonial, is perhaps routine in nature.

Mr. ST. LAURENT: I do not remember having made that declaration, but I do remember saying that the Royal Canadian Mounted Police had absorbed the dominion police force.

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Agar Rodney Adamson

Progressive Conservative

Mr. ADAMSON:

The old dominion police?

Mr. ST. LAURENT: Yes, and that it was found it would be convenient to have the two forces under one administration, because it afforded1 opportunities for employing men who for one reason or another had become

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unfit for more strenuous duties. I am not suggesting that many of those who are doing guard work are not fit for more strenuous duties, but it has given some elasticity to the administration of the force, and the commissioner does not feel that it would be desirable to have the administration of those doing guard duty, and others, separated.

Item agreed to.

515. Land services-arising out of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police Aet, enforcement of federal statutes generally, and other incidental expenses, $6,984,147.40.

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CCF

Frederick Samuel Zaplitny

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. ZAPLITNY:

What are the rates of pay for the various ranks in the Royal Canadian Mounted Police?

Mr. ST. LAURENT: The third-class constable, holding the lowest rank, receives 81,003.75 per annum. The secondi-class constable receives $1,095; the thirdKdass, $1,277.50. Corporals receive $1,460; sergeants, $1,733.75; staff sergeants and sergeant-majors, from $1,825 to $2,007.50; surgeons, $4,056.25; subinspectors, $2,456.25; inspectors, from $2,596 to $2,996; superintendents, from $3,176 to $3,576; assistant commissioners, $4,056.25; deputy commissioners, $4,956.25.

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CCF

Frederick Samuel Zaplitny

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. ZAPLITNY:

Does that $1,003.75 for

the third-class constable include the cost of living bonus?

Mr. ST. LAURENT: Yes.

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PC

Julian Harcourt Ferguson

Progressive Conservative

Mr. FERGUSON:

Is a member of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police permitted to marry when he joins the force?

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LIB

Ian Alistair Mackenzie (Minister of Veterans Affairs; Leader of the Government in the House of Commons; Liberal Party House Leader)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE:

That was covered1 half an hour ago.

Item agreed' to.

516. Pensions .to families of members of the mounted police who have lost their lives while on duty:

Mrs. Mary Bossange, $456.25.

Mrs. Margaret Johnson Brooke, $821.25.

Mrs. Margaret 'Cox, $410.63.

Mrs. Georgina Harrison, $676.50.

Mrs. Letitia Kennedy, $423.50.

Mrs. Nora Jean Massan, $300.

Mrs. Mary Miller, $667.38.

Mrs. Margaret Nicholson, $547.50.

Mrs. Catherine Mildred Ralls, $675.25.

Mrs. Vera M. Ryder, $907.50.

Mrs. Doris Freda Sampson, $816.

Mrs, Amy Lillian Searle, $406.98.

Mrs. Madelaine Mary Shoebotham, $810.

Mrs. Eunice Wainwright. $602.50.

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Alfred Johnson Brooks

Progressive Conservative

Mr. BROOKS:

I notice that while in 194445 the compensation paid to Mrs. Vera M. Ryder was $1,993.01, this year it is reduced to $907.50. This lady is in my constituency. Why has there been this reduction of over

$1,000? If the minister has not the information readily available I shall not insist upon holding up the item.

Mr. ST. LAURENT: The former amount voted in the supplementary estimates' was from the period January 20, 1943, to March 31, 1945, and the amount voted was $1,993.01. The amount provided this year is $847.50 for Mrs. Ryder and1 $60 for one child.

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Item agreed to.


LIB

Ian Alistair Mackenzie (Minister of Veterans Affairs; Leader of the Government in the House of Commons; Liberal Party House Leader)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE:

I wish to thank the committee for its courtesy and graciousness in sitting until twelve o'clock.

Progress reported.

On motion of Mr. Mackenzie the house adjourned at 12.05 a.m.

Friday, December 14, 1945.

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December 13, 1945