November 23, 1945

LIB

Clarence Decatur Howe (Minister of Reconstruction; Minister of Munitions and Supply)

Liberal

Mr. HOWE:

Yes, it will disappear when the merger takes place. When the bill is passed the Department of Munitions and Supply will disappear into the Department of Reconstruction and Supply, which is also a temporary department. It is hoped that all the departments Vith which I am associated will disappear within a few years.

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Wilfrid Garfield Case

Progressive Conservative

Mr. CASE:

Wartime Housing will be under

his department?

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LIB

Clarence Decatur Howe (Minister of Reconstruction; Minister of Munitions and Supply)

Liberal

Mr. HOWE:

Yes.

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Wilfrid Garfield Case

Progressive Conservative

Mr. CASE:

And T.C.A. will be transferred to the new department?

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LIB

Clarence Decatur Howe (Minister of Reconstruction; Minister of Munitions and Supply)

Liberal

Mr. HOWE:

T.C.A. is still in the Department of Transport and will continue there, although by the Transfer of Duties Act the administration of that particular branch was transferred to myself personally.

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Harry Rutherford Jackman

Progressive Conservative

Mr. JACKMAN:

The minister stated that the number of employees on the staff of Munitions and Supply was 2,500 and on the staff of Reconstruction, 300; but there are also a number of workmen engaged, for instance, in Wartime Housing. Are they not virtually on the government payroll, and are we not as taxpayers seeing that they get their weekly wage? Is the same not true of Polymer and of other crown agencies now engaged in manufacturing?

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Mr. HOAVE@

No. The figures I gave refer to the strength of the department, not to the personnel of the crown companies.

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Harry Rutherford Jackman

Progressive Conservative

Mr. JACKMAN:

Just to the strength of the administrative staff? Can the minister say how many people are engaged and on the government payroll in addition to those who are' engaged in the administrative service of these two departments?

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Mr. HOAVE@

I think it is a little irregular to say that the employees of these companies are a burden on the taxpayers, because Polymer is bringing a handsome return to the taxpayers, and that, is true of most of the crown companies, particularly Allied War Supplies. If the taxpayers had a few other businesses doing as well we would be in a very fortunate position.

Reconstruction and Supply

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John Horne Blackmore

Social Credit

Mr. BLACKMORE:

I did not hear the minister.

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LIB

Clarence Decatur Howe (Minister of Reconstruction; Minister of Munitions and Supply)

Liberal

Mr. HOWE:

The hon. member for Rose-dale likes to think that any enterprise operated by the government is a burden on the taxpayer, and I was saying that we have a few that are a benefit to the taxpayer.

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Harry Rutherford Jackman

Progressive Conservative

Mr. JACKMAN:

The imputation was the minister's, not mine. I simply asked how many were virtually on the government payroll through working for government-owned corporations. I should like to have an approximate figure, if the government has it, of how many people are employed in. crown companies under his jurisdiction through the operation of these two departments.

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LIB

Clarence Decatur Howe (Minister of Reconstruction; Minister of Munitions and Supply)

Liberal

Mr. HOWE:

I cannot say. There are 800 on the payroll of Polymer and approximately 3,000 on the payroll of Research Enterprises, at the moment. Does he want me to give him the number of workmen working on wartime houses?

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Harry Rutherford Jackman

Progressive Conservative

Mr. JACKMAN:

Yes, I should like to have them.

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LIB

Clarence Decatur Howe (Minister of Reconstruction; Minister of Munitions and Supply)

Liberal

Mr. HOWE:

I do not know what it is. They are all employed by contractors. I cannot say how many employees there are.

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Harry Rutherford Jackman

Progressive Conservative

Mr. JACKMAN:

By independent contractors?

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LIB

Clarence Decatur Howe (Minister of Reconstruction; Minister of Munitions and Supply)

Liberal

Mr. HOWE:

Yes. Wartime Housing does not do any building itself. As far as Allied War Supplies goes, there would be, I should think, at least 3,000 employees in all its various activities. That gives a rough idea.

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John Ritchie MacNicol

Progressive Conservative

Mr. MacNICOL:

The minister said a moment ago that a number of these crown companies are paying some returns to the tax-payer. I want to pass just one word of comment on that, because the other night, in reference to Polymer, he intimated that it was breaking even as far as costs of operation are concerned. Surely he does not mean to tell the committee that the investment in Polymer is paying anything to the country.

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LIB

Clarence Decatur Howe (Minister of Reconstruction; Minister of Munitions and Supply)

Liberal

Mr. HOWE:

Oh, yes. .

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John Ritchie MacNicol

Progressive Conservative

Mr. MacNICOL:

Oh, no; the minister

knows better than that. We have $50 million in it. It is not paying any return to the country. But, forgetting about the investment, I think the company is producing rubber at a * reasonable price and maybe is having something ahead. Will the minister say now that the company is making a return on its investment of $50 million?

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November 23, 1945