November 14, 1945

LIB

James Lorimer Ilsley (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. ILSLEY:

I continue:

-but if on any such motion a debate be desired, it shall be transferred by the Clerk to the order of Notices of Motion.

The minister is entitled to state the reasons why he opposes the motmn. I submit that if the mover desires to debate that, it must be transferred to the other list, that is, the order for notices of motion.

Motions jor Papers

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CCF

Major James William Coldwell

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. COLDWELL:

What is the position of the minister in regard to this matter? If he refuses and a debate is required, should it not go to the bottom of the list and be debated then? There must be fairness both ways.

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LIB

James Lorimer Ilsley (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. ILSLEY:

My own opinion about that is that the minister should 'be brief and state that it is not in the public interest to comply with the request made in the motion.

The authorities recognize that he has the right to say that,-

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CCF

Major James William Coldwell

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. COLDWELL:

That is right.

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LIB

James Lorimer Ilsley (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. ILSLEY:

-he should not go much farther than that, and the matter cannot be debated any further.

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PC

Karl Kenneth Homuth

Progressive Conservative

Mr. HOMJJTH:

Why did you not call 'order"?

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Some hon. MEMBERS:

Quack, quack!

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LIB

Ian Alistair Mackenzie (Minister of Veterans Affairs; Leader of the Government in the House of Commons; Liberal Party House Leader)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE:

Question.

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LIB

James Horace King (Speaker of the Senate)

Liberal

Mr. SPEAKER:

Order. I have nothing to add to the explanation which I have given. I said that it was the privilege of the mover to explain his motion, and that it was also his privilege to answer the remarks made by the hon. member who opposed the motion. That can be done: it is not against the rules. However, the hon. member will admit that he went farther than giving an answer to the remarks made by the minister. He attempted to debate the motion. I think he should close his remarks.

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PC

Donald Methuen Fleming

Progressive Conservative

Mr. FLEMING:

Mr. Sppaker, to be quite fair with you I do not admit that I went outside the scope of an explanation, but I bow to your rulipg. In conclusion I simply wish to say that if the supremacy of parliament means anything it means that parliament must be free to do its duty.

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PC

John Bracken (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. BRACKEN:

I was paired with the Prime Minister (Mr. Mackenzie King). Had I voted I would have voted for the motion.

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LIB

Ian Alistair Mackenzie (Minister of Veterans Affairs; Leader of the Government in the House of Commons; Liberal Party House Leader)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE:

1 was paired with the hon. member for Peel (Mr. Graydon). Had I voted I would have voted against the motion.

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PC

Winfield Chester Scott McLure

Progressive Conservative

Mr. McLURE:

I was paired with the hon. member for Kent, N.B. (Mr. Leger). Had I voted I would have voted for the motion.

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PC

Harry Rutherford Jackman

Progressive Conservative

Mr. JACKMAN:

I was paired with the hon. member for Maisonneuve-Rosemont (Mr. Fournier). Had I voted I would have voted for the motion.

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IND

Herbert Wilfred Herridge

Independent C.C.F.

Mr. HERRIDGE:

I was paired with the hon. member for Vancouver North (Mr. Sinclair). Had I voted I wo lid have voted for the motion.

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LIB

William Edmund Newton Sinclair

Liberal

Mr. SINCLAIR (Ontario):

I was paired with the hon. member for Durham (Mr. Stephenson). Had I voted I would have voted against the motion.

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POLYMER CORPORATION

PC

Albert James Bradshaw

Progressive Conservative

Mr. BRADSHAW:

For a copy of all contracts, agreements, letters, and/or other documents in lieu of contracts, written or entered into at any time since March 27, 1944, between Polymer Corporation Limited and Imperial Oil Limited; and between Polymer Corporation Limited and St. Clair Processing Corporation Limited.

Also, for a copy of all orders in council relating to Polymer Corporation Limited, dated since December 31, 1943.

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STEVENSON AIR FIELD, WINNIPEG

CCF

Stanley Howard Knowles (Whip of the Co-operative Commonwealth Federation)

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. KNOWLES:

For a copy of all correspondence, dated since June 15, 1943, between the St. James-Winnipeg airport commission and the federal government, or any department or branch thereof, with reference to enlarging Stevenson field and/or extending the runways thereof; also for a copy of all communications, documents and memoranda, dated since June 15, 1943, in the poses-sion of the government, or any department or branch thereof, relating to the question of rerouting the Souris branch of the Canadian Pacific Railway in order to permit a northward extension of said Stevenson field at Winnipeg.

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November 14, 1945