November 12, 1945

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An hon. MEMBER:

We cannot hear.

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George Alexander Cruickshank

Liberal

Mr. CRUICKSHANK:

You will hear me. Will the minister tell the committee this: If the federal government takes over a piece of property, say for an airport, and then later leases it to a private individual, will that lessee be liable to taxation?

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James Lorimer Ilsley (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. ILSLEY:

I do not know whether the lessee would be liable to taxation. I suppose it. would depend upon the local statute.

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George Alexander Cruickshank

Liberal

Mr. CRUICKSHANK:

That is not a good enough answer. I just received a wire from a municipality in my riding Stating that the federal government had taken over a certain piece of property for an airport. My information is that they have since subleased that property to a private individual, and my information is also tfaa't when they sublease to a private individual, the property is liable to municipal taxation. Is that correct or not?

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James Lorimer Ilsley (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. ILSLEY:

I am unable to answer the question because I am not familiar with the provisions of the British Columbia statutes.

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George Alexander Cruickshank

Liberal

Mr. CRUICKSHANK:

Well, Mr. Chairman, British Columbia is responsible for an awful lot, but it is not responsible for federal legislation. This came to me from the muni-' cipality of Sumas, which is one of the most responsible in the Dominion of Canada, and they do not waste their time on frivolous answers from anybody. If a piece of property is subleased by the crown-and with all the subcfficials here surely somebody can give me an answer-if a piece of property owned by the federal government is subleased to Mr. Ernest Butterfield, is he liable for taxation?

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James Lorimer Ilsley (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. ILSLEY:

Once again it depends upon the provisions of the British Columbia statute.

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George Alexander Cruickshank

Liberal

Mr. CRUICKSHANK:

Nonsense.

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James Lorimer Ilsley (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. ILSLEY:

There is nothing to prevent British Columbia from authorizing a muni-

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cipality to tax a lessee or sub-lessee, but they cannot authorize a municipality to tax the crown in the right of the dominion.

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William Ross Macdonald (Deputy Speaker and Chair of Committees of the Whole of the House of Commons)

Liberal

The CHAIRMAN:

The words "frivolous" and "nonsense" as used by the hon. member are improper, and I would request the hon. member to use more restraint.

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George Alexander Cruickshank

Liberal

Mr. CRUICKSHANK:

I withdraw them, Mr. Chairman. I understand from the Acting Prime Minister that he has given the province of British Columbia full authority to tax through the municipality any land so leased. Is that correct? That is a straight question and I would like an answer.

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James Lorimer Ilsley (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. ILSLEY:

I was not conscious of giving any authority to anyone.

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Agar Rodney Adamson

Progressive Conservative

Mr. ADAMSON:

Will the minister consider adding these qualifying words to paragraph (f) "respecting housing"?

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James Lorimer Ilsley (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. ILSLEY:

This bill relates to more than housing. This section is an empowering section. It confers upon the corporation the power to exercise or perform any other powers, duties or functions conferred on or required to be performed by the corporation under any other act or order in council. It is the sort of clause, it seems to me, that is to be found in the charter of a company.

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Agar Rodney Adamson

Progressive Conservative

Mr. ADAMSON:

But it gives the corporation such tremendously wide powers that it could do virtually anything.

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James Lorimer Ilsley (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. ILSLEY:

It is not intended to. If there is an act saying that the corporation shall do certain things, this simply says that they shall have the power to do that; that is all. I really do not know why it is there; I do not know what is the need of it. If by another Act the corporation is required to perform a certain act I would have thought the corporation had power to do it, but there is apparently some provision of corporation law which says that you have to put the power to carry out duties in the list of powers. That is the reason it is there. It does not give any powers that are not already conferred by some other act.

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Section agreed to. Sections 31 to 38 inclusive agreed to. On section 39-Approval of governor in council on recommendation of minister.


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Agar Rodney Adamson

Progressive Conservative

Mr. ADAMSON:

Will the minister give some explanation of this clause? A debate took place on it the other day and the minister said that he could not see any reason for the clause.

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James Lorimer Ilsley (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. ILSLEY:

This clause was put in to make it clear that the corporation has not the power to make recommendations' to council. Exception was taken to the wording of the section by the hon. member for Vancouver-Burrard, and I thought his point was well taken. So that I am prepared to have it moved that section 39 be amended by striking out the words "made at the request of the corporation" in line 12 on page 12 of the said bill.

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Ian Alistair Mackenzie (Minister of Veterans Affairs; Leader of the Government in the House of Commons; Liberal Party House Leader)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE:

I move accordingly, Mr. Chairman.

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November 12, 1945